Balloon framing is worse-is-better (2021)

Re:Balloon framing is worse-is-better (2021) by number6 on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @04:30PM (#33976135)

And they don't evolve. They are hard to replace and are expensive. Most Houses need to last 30 or 50 years. European Houses last twice as long. Instead of modern houses there are so many old bad isolated houses with chimneys for firewood instead of heat pumps and solar roofs.

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Re:Balloon framing is worse-is-better (2021) by abathologist on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @05:01PM (#33976591)

> Most Houses need to last 30 or 50 years

Why? It seems absurd to me to only have a dwelling last for half a lifetime. This view seems to assume a disposable, consumerist logic, which seems at odds in my view both from reasonable use of energy and time and with a sustainable civilization.

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Re:Balloon framing is worse-is-better (2021) by dsfyu404ed on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @08:28PM (#33978846)

>Why?

Your average house in the city is going to get bulldozed after 30-50yr because in that time things will change enough that someone is going to want to develop the site into something else.

Your average farm house is probably a 200yr structure.

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Re:Balloon framing is worse-is-better (2021) by ajuc on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @01:27AM (#33980649)

Your average house in an European city is going to stand for 100 years or more.

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Re:Balloon framing is worse-is-better (2021) by arethuza on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @06:00AM (#33982038)

I once made a friend who is a property developer very happy by pointing out that his new building (built with traditional materials) in Edinburgh's New Town might still be standing in a 1000 years whereas I'm lucky if anything I do lasts 10 years.

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Re:Balloon framing is worse-is-better (2021) by arethuza on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @06:05AM (#33982069)

"Most Houses need to last 30 or 50 years"

I've never lived in anything that wasn't at least 50 years old and usually at least 200 years old - so that seems very odd to me. Mind you, I appreciate different countries and cultures etc.

Next you will be saying that roofs need to be replaced every 10 years! ;-)

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Re:Balloon framing is worse-is-better (2021) by kome on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @04:44PM (#33976332)

I think I disagree, from experience, old houses can be retrofitted quite successfully to the modern age, while wooden houses just seem to age much faster.

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Re:Balloon framing is worse-is-better (2021) by kwhitefoot on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @05:49PM (#33977337)

Plenty of hundred and more year old wooden houses where I live in Norway. It can be hard to tell though until you see someone take off the external planks to renew them and you seethe solid baulks of timber underneath.

My wooden house was built in 1953 with a concrete watertight cellar serving as the foundation. The wood doesn't start until more than half a metre above ground. I see no reason why it shouldn't last another fifty years or more.

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