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Re:US annual inflation declines to 7.1% in November vs. 7.3%... by monero-xmr on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @11:46AM (#33971406)
When considered logically the correct amount of inflation should be 0% - neither inflation nor deflation. This would give us stable prices and make it much easier to calculate what is increasing or decreasing in price without this other fuzzy “inflation” metric affecting it. However governments / central banks have convinced us that 2% is “correct” despite no evidence or research. It does help them print money and bail out governments, however!
Re:US annual inflation declines to 7.1% in November vs. 7.3%... by mdemare on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @11:58AM (#33971627)
You may not agree with the conclusions, or dislike the quality of the research, but of course there's research. There's always research with things like this.

https://www.stlouisfed.org/open-vault/2019/january/fed-infla...

Re:US annual inflation declines to 7.1% in November vs. 7.3%... by slg on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @11:53AM (#33971531)
0% inflation would mean there is no penalty for sitting on your money. People putting their cash under their mattress instead of in savings accounts, CDs, bonds, and the like is bad for the economy. That is why economists generally prefer a small positive rate of inflation. It adds more incentive to both spend and invest.
Re:US annual inflation declines to 7.1% in November vs. 7.3%... by monero-xmr on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @02:45PM (#33974652)
There should not be a penalty for saving money. Furthermore you can give your money to the bank as a deposit (loan) and the bank will pay you some rate based upon what they can invest it on. Nowhere here does this require any level of inflation.
Re:US annual inflation declines to 7.1% in November vs. 7.3%... by cjbgkagh on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @11:58AM (#33971613)
Inflation is not interest rates, it’s perfectly normal and proper to have higher interest rates than inflation.

They’re only linked due to rehypothecation of money supply which is a problem in an of itself. But it gets a little complex to explain.

Edit: my brain skipped over the ‘cash’ part and assumed ‘risk free’ interest would still be collected.

Re:US annual inflation declines to 7.1% in November vs. 7.3%... by slg on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @12:09PM (#33971848)
Can you explain why you think this disputes my point?

The real interest rate is the nominal interest rate minus inflation. When there is inflation, the real interest rate for holding cash is negative. When there is no inflation, that real interest rate is 0%. The disincentive to holding cash disappears and therefore more people hold cash.

Re:US annual inflation declines to 7.1% in November vs. 7.3%... by cjbgkagh on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @12:14PM (#33971936)
> The real interest rate is the nominal interest rate minus inflation.

Yes.

> When there is inflation, the real interest rate for holding cash is negative.

No. This assumes nominal interest rate stays constant which it very much will not do.

Re:US annual inflation declines to 7.1% in November vs. 7.3%... by slg on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @12:17PM (#33972014)
I'm still not following your line of thinking. The nominal interest rate on holding cash is always 0%.
Re:US annual inflation declines to 7.1% in November vs. 7.3%... by cjbgkagh on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @12:21PM (#33972125)
You’re right, I didn't read your question accurately. By cash I assumed interest collecting back accounts. The missing out of the opportunity to make risk free money is punishment enough. If people elect to do this then they don’t think it’s risk free and thus are paying a premium to reduce risk.
Re:US annual inflation declines to 7.1% in November vs. 7.3%... by slg on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @12:37PM (#33972455)
Ok, glad we are on the same page now. "Holding cash" is vague enough that it could still be in a bank. I thought it was clear what I was talking about since I made the distinction between savings accounts and storing cash under a mattress in my first comment. Savings accounts are risk-free in the same sense that US bonds are risk-free. There is technically some level of risk, but there would have to be a pretty unlikely turn of events to actually lose money. However, there are a whole lot of people out there that don't trust banks and don't trust the government.
Re:US annual inflation declines to 7.1% in November vs. 7.3%... by dsfyu404ed on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @11:57AM (#33971598)
>0% inflation would mean there is no penalty for sitting on your money. People putting their cash under their mattress instead of

This is an absurd claim. Nobody seriously considering mattress vs CD (or bonds in a low rate environment like we had 2008-2020) is swayed by a return of less than a couple percent. It is a security vs liquidity vs trust calculation, not a return based one.

Furthermore, as the other commenter points out, rates are correlated but not necessarily in lock step with inflation. The rate on your savings account is probably still sub 1% (although bonds have gone up).

Re:US annual inflation declines to 7.1% in November vs. 7.3%... by slg on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @12:14PM (#33971945)
Maybe not for you. Maybe not in the short term. But there are all sorts of people involved in the economy with all sorts of risk tolerances. Lots of people don't like losing their money. Putting their money some place with zero risk is attractive for people.

It isn't the most up-to-date data and survey results are always a little questionable, but here is some data from 2015[1]:

>A new survey of more than 1,800 people from the American Express Spending and Savings Tracker, however, found that 43% of Americans keep their savings in cash. An alarming 53% of those cash-hoarders "plan to hide bills in a secret location at home."

Those numbers are big enough that even if they are way off, there is still a sizable number of people who are holding onto their savings in physical cash. That would go up if there was no inflation.

[1] - https://www.businessinsider.com/americans-hide-money-under-t...