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Re:Fusion energy breakthrough by Livermore Lab by crote on Monday December 12, 2022 @07:21PM (#33962645)
Safety standards were set higher and higher because accidents kept happening, resulting in some well-known extremely large scale disasters and numerous minor ones. As with every industry, the rules were written with blood.

When you are building a power plant which has the capability of making a significant portion of your country permanently incompatible with human life, you generally want to be really sure you aren't going to have an oopsie.

Re:Fusion energy breakthrough by Livermore Lab by epivosism on Monday December 12, 2022 @08:25PM (#33963339)
I accept this as one point; I do question whether the opposite side of the benefit calculation was made - i.e. did we have a public debate where we correctly looked at the tradeoffs of increased fossil fuel carbon pollution, economic impacts from lack of energy and failures to advance, balanced out with honest cost estimates of disaster profiles? It doesn't seem like it. It seems the debates were fairly one-sided; this leads me to believe a better outcome would be weighted more towards pro-nuclear.
Re:Fusion energy breakthrough by Livermore Lab by mavhc on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @04:22AM (#33966486)
Same with wind, "you must pay a fine if you kill a bald eagle", but if you slowly kill all of them with pollution, that's free.

"The fly ash emitted from burning coal for electricity by a power plant carries into the surrounding environment 100 times more radiation than a nuclear power plant producing the same amount of energy."

Re:Fusion energy breakthrough by Livermore Lab by seanmcdirmid on Monday December 12, 2022 @08:11PM (#33963218)
> Safety standards were set higher and higher because accidents kept happening, resulting in some well-known extremely large scale disasters and numerous minor ones.

I think Chernobyl was the only really big nuclear plant disaster right? And even then, what we've really learned in the long term is that human habitation is more dangerous to wildlife than nuclear radiation (the area around the plant is now a thriving wildlife preserve).

Re:Fusion energy breakthrough by Livermore Lab by cwingrav on Monday December 12, 2022 @09:35PM (#33963977)
Fukushima, Kyshtym… those are the other bad ones.
Re:Fusion energy breakthrough by Livermore Lab by epivosism on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @12:25AM (#33965166)
FYI, there were zero radiation deaths from Fukishima, although there were ~2200 from the evacuation. Keep in mind this was during the aftermath of a tsunami.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disa...

Re:Fusion energy breakthrough by Livermore Lab by polytely on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @04:56AM (#33966685)
I think there was a lot of hard work that went into to prevention of anything worse happening at Fukushima. At least that is what I remember from reading the iaea report a couple of years ago. I remember it being a very good and interesting read: https://www-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/Publications/PDF/Pub1710-Repor...
Re:Fusion energy breakthrough by Livermore Lab by trashtester on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @05:48AM (#33967079)
I think 1 person from the cleanup crew eventually got a cancer linked to the accident, but maybe he survivied?
Re:Fusion energy breakthrough by Livermore Lab by cma on Monday December 12, 2022 @09:16PM (#33963798)
Didn't they dig up the area around it and bury it under itself?
Re:Fusion energy breakthrough by Livermore Lab by panick21_ on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @12:31PM (#33972342)
There was simply a false assumption about how dangerous radiation was. Some of this still persists to this day.

A nuclear reactor that had the same radiation as a coal plant would not be legal? How does this make any sense at all?

The Safety standards were actually put at to high a level to early, specially given how instantly save nuclear was.

Consider this, how safe were coal plants? Would nuclear instead of coal have saved 100000s of lives since then? Yes of course nuclear would have, even if you had an accident once in a while.

The problem is that there was 0 tolerance for nuclear accident, because of populist nonsense, but if coal plant and supply chain killed 5 people here 10 people and 1000s of people get sick, nobody cares.

So the reality is, that nuclear went uneconomical because nuclear and existing power production (mostly coal, later gas) were no treated the same in terms of their safety requirements.

> When you are building a power plant which has the capability of making a significant portion of your country permanently incompatible with human life

That's not actually what happens. 3 Mile Island or Fukushima didn't even remotely come close to what you describe. And even for Chernobyl this is questionable statement. And Chernobyl was a type of reactor not built in the West, so in the West something that bad simply can't happen with PWRs.