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Re:Tianeptine, or ‘gas station heroin,’ causes intense withd... by belval on Monday December 12, 2022 @06:06PM (#33961784)
That argument is intellectually dishonest at best. Alcohol causes physical and psychological addiction as well, but its effects are well known and it isn't marketed as a dietary supplement.

You also need serious abuse with alcohol to get to a point where you are spending every paychecks on booze and become non-functioning like the people that are described in the article. Alcohol addiction does not happen over a week.

Finally it all comes down to the ratio of casual users vs addicted users. Millions (perhaps billions) of people drink alcohol and a fraction have serious addiction issues with it. Same goes for caffeine. They are not comparable.

Re:Tianeptine, or ‘gas station heroin,’ causes intense withd... by leetcrew on Monday December 12, 2022 @06:47PM (#33962178)
fwiw, I do think the labeling issue is a fair point. I just doubt it would have much impact.

as for the rest, it reads much like the rest of the sensationalism typically heard when the general public funds out about a new drug of abuse for the first time. if you wanted to write a piece like this, I doubt it would be hard to find a handful of people who became severely addicted to alcohol from the first sip.

and I suspect you will want to split hairs with me on what exactly "casual vs addicted" means, but the figures I can easily find suggest that opioids have a similar addiction risk versus alcohol. it's hard to find a good denominator for casual opioid users, but this [0] study puts the rate of addiction among PM patients around 10%. meanwhile, about 10% of Americans over 12 years old develop alcoholism [1]. not quite an apples to apples comparison, but the raw "addictiveness" is likely within the same ballpark.

[0] https://journals.lww.com/pain/Abstract/2015/04000/Rates_of_o...

[1] https://drugabusestatistics.org/alcohol-abuse-statistics/