Yeah, every reputable nootropics community recommends avoiding tianeptine for a reason. It's right up there with phenazepam in the "this should probably be illegal" category.

That second post is absolutely brutal. Holy hell. I’m someone with a very addictive personality and I can easily see myself in this situation if I don’t avoid these substances. So seeing someone struggling in this way, just how I would be if I took a wrong turn in life, is heartbreaking.

The more comments I read about this stuff, the worse it looks...

"I'm a father of 3 who is currently going through a divorce because of tia. I lost everything and currently staying at a friend's house and not with my family and wife of almost 18 years. I blew through all of our money and it took this to happen for me to get off. I've been on suboxone for 8 days now and tia free for 8 days. If he truly wants to get off tia, he will have to get off of everything and take his subutex for the reason it is prescribed. Tia is the devil. I started taking it when I quit drinking and fell in live with the way it made me feel. I've spent thousands of dollars on it the last couple years." [1]

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/QuittingTianeptine/comments/xunr2i/...