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Re:Fusion energy breakthrough by Livermore Lab by SuperFine on Monday December 12, 2022 @10:24AM (#33955593)
>After that, we can see what a practical electricity producing plant looks like

I guess we still don't have anything better than boiling water, right?

Re:Fusion energy breakthrough by Livermore Lab by acidburnNSA on Monday December 12, 2022 @10:30AM (#33955671)
Right. But slapping boiling water around the burning plasma is kind of a rube goldberg usually. See LLNL's LIFE design for example [1]. Things like molten salt walls circulating through a steam turbine and all that.

There are other ideas too, but it's hard to beat a Rankine cycle.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_Inertial_Fusion_Energy

Re:Fusion energy breakthrough by Livermore Lab by pfdietz on Monday December 12, 2022 @08:19PM (#33963291)
You can't just slap boiling water around the burning plasma in a DT reactor, since you need almost all the neutrons to make more tritium. Water would absorb too many neutrons. The IFE designs use thick showers of liquid lithium or molten FLiBe for this reason.
Re:Fusion energy breakthrough by Livermore Lab by eternalban on Monday December 12, 2022 @04:50PM (#33960927)
HILIFE-II Inertial Confinement Fusion Power Plant Design:

https://web.archive.org/web/20150404075829/https://hifweb.lb...

Re:Fusion energy breakthrough by Livermore Lab by IX-103 on Monday December 12, 2022 @08:53PM (#33963609)
I think we just haven't found the right fusion design.

If we use a reaction that primarily produces beta radiation or other high energy charged particle, sending it through a coil of wire would induce a voltage that we could extract as electric energy.

For that matter, appropriately located coils could be used to extract thermal energy from the plasma directly. The trick there is that we can't get much with the current tokamak and stellarator designs -- the thermal energy is too disordered to use a large coil and the plasma flow is not sufficiently confined to use small coils. There are almost certainly better configurations, but the electrohydrodynamics simulations are tricky. If we keep at it I'm sure we can find a stable configuration with fewer degrees of freedom.

Re:Fusion energy breakthrough by Livermore Lab by knodi123 on Monday December 12, 2022 @01:20PM (#33958115)
I'm surprised too. I've looked into this before, and it's absolutely right - just not intuitive to me.

We do have radio-photo-voltaic devices, but they're so inefficient it's laughable. And we have RTG generators, which are only practical in limited situations, and again have a very low efficiency.

So hot water it is!!

Re:Fusion energy breakthrough by Livermore Lab by svantana on Monday December 12, 2022 @10:53AM (#33956007)
Well, there is hydro, wind and photovoltaic. And in the fusion field there are startups working on aneutronic fusion, which can generate power directly from charged particles. LPPFusion is one that seemed promising a few years ago, but unfortunately less so now.
Re:Fusion energy breakthrough by Livermore Lab by panick21_ on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @12:55PM (#33972825)
As some-point maybe aneutornic fusion will be a thing. That will be more like solar panels.