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Re:DeepMind Dramatron: a new tool for writers to co-write th... by seydor on Friday December 09, 2022 @01:41PM (#33924933)
i m sure the model is great, but industrially produced scripts sounds extremely offputting. Art is communication and nobody wants to communicate with a bot. Maybe this would work as an endless roleplaying game or something but theater and film scripts? sounds awful
Re:DeepMind Dramatron: a new tool for writers to co-write th... by passion__desire on Friday December 09, 2022 @03:02PM (#33925846)
Imagine providing a complicated visual shape as input and the LLM just generates a story which fits the shape. The shape could be subdivided into patches. We could specify the textures of these patches which could represent emotions, style, wit, pace, etc all blending nicely. So many possibilities. Writers never have to worry about continuity issues or tracking details in their head. In future, book writing would be similar to game development.
Re:DeepMind Dramatron: a new tool for writers to co-write th... by seydor on Friday December 09, 2022 @03:10PM (#33925908)
why would someone read the book though instead of playing the game? At least in the game there is a human (the player). I think reading needs to be a meaningful action
Re:DeepMind Dramatron: a new tool for writers to co-write th... by passion__desire on Friday December 09, 2022 @10:40PM (#33929645)
If the story is identical in game format or book format, why would someone prefer reading a book vs playing the game. List all possible reasons that come to your mind.

There are a few reasons why someone might prefer reading a book over playing a game, even if the story is the same in both formats. Some possible reasons include:

Reading a book allows a person to use their imagination to visualize the story and create their own mental images of the characters and settings, whereas a game may have pre-determined visuals that the player has no control over.

Reading a book can be a more passive activity, allowing the reader to relax and immerse themselves in the story without having to actively engage with the narrative by making decisions or solving puzzles.

Reading a book can be a more personal experience, as the reader can read at their own pace and take their time to reflect on the story and its themes.

Reading a book may be a more affordable option than purchasing and playing a game, especially if the reader already owns the book or has access to it through a library or other resource.

Some people simply prefer reading as a means of entertainment and may find it more enjoyable than playing a game.

Reading a book can be a more portable and convenient option, as it doesn't require access to a gaming device or a stable internet connection.

- answer by ChatGPT.

Re:DeepMind Dramatron: a new tool for writers to co-write th... by zamadatix on Friday December 09, 2022 @08:41PM (#33928906)
Is "nobody wants to communicate with a bot" off-putting to you because bot content isn't quality enough yet or because of the fact it's from a bot? I'm firmly in the former camp but curious what you meant there. For me the attractiveness of art isn't that the feelings I get came from a person and that's why I liked the art as much as the feelings I get were interesting/fun/unique/etc.
Re:DeepMind Dramatron: a new tool for writers to co-write th... by akiselev on Friday December 09, 2022 @10:16PM (#33929506)
It’s the difference between a mass produced product and a hand made artisan one. Sure you can make the former look like the latter, but eventually you arrive at a boring world that has no uniqueness if you eliminate all human creativity. Mass production is a miracle that has enabled billions of people to enjoy everything from clothing to mobile phones, but humans crave variety and novelty almost on a biological level and without the artisans we’d run out of both quite quickly.
Re:DeepMind Dramatron: a new tool for writers to co-write th... by zamadatix on Saturday December 10, 2022 @01:42PM (#33935392)
What makes mass produced bland is not that it lacks human creativity it's it's the exact same model and color iPhone * 10,000,000 because it's cheaper. You can just as easily plug in something else with creativity and not pay the lowest possible price as you can plug in human creativity and not pay the lowest possible price. Current ML models aren't great at coming up with their own variations on things and if you want to call that "human creativity" then sure but I'm firmly in the camp that type of creativity isn't something forever bound to being human for the rest of time.
Re:DeepMind Dramatron: a new tool for writers to co-write th... by Y_Y on Friday December 09, 2022 @03:49PM (#33926307)
Have you watched much of the "original" content on Netflix? Their stuff is incredibly formulaic, but with a good formula and optimised for popularity.
Re:DeepMind Dramatron: a new tool for writers to co-write th... by soulofmischief on Friday December 09, 2022 @01:49PM (#33925037)
I'd like to see you tell the difference in a decade or two.
Re:DeepMind Dramatron: a new tool for writers to co-write th... by trh0awayman on Friday December 09, 2022 @02:00PM (#33925155)
The stuff ChatGPT comes up with sounds funnier and more entertaining than 90% of the current Netflix catalog.
Re:DeepMind Dramatron: a new tool for writers to co-write th... by Melting_Harps on Friday December 09, 2022 @03:44PM (#33926255)
> The stuff ChatGPT comes up with sounds funnier and more entertaining than 90% of the current Netflix catalog.

I just made it write a skit between r/wallstreetbets and Bill Burr during the GME saga... it was not as funny as when I then asked it to write a skit where Bill starts shilling for it.

It might have been something the film adaptation of Wolf of Wall street left on the cutting room floor, even down to the facial descriptors. Try it for yourself, its pretty silly, but so was Wolf of Wall street, and I read the book after the movie because I was told it had more gonzo-like story telling.

Re:DeepMind Dramatron: a new tool for writers to co-write th... by consumer451 on Friday December 09, 2022 @04:43PM (#33926761)
I just tried adding something along the lines of:

Tell me a story about ___. Every 2 paragraphs show a very descriptive Dalle-2 prompt for the image which fits into the story.

The result was pretty interesting I thought. ChatGPT did a good job here. I bet it would have been even better with 2022's additional prompt samples found on the internet.

Re:DeepMind Dramatron: a new tool for writers to co-write th... by Melting_Harps on Friday December 09, 2022 @05:53PM (#33927514)
> The result was pretty interesting I thought. ChatGPT did a good job here. I bet it would have been even better with 2022's additional prompt samples found on the internet.

I never got access to DALLE, so I will never know for sure, but this is disrupting visual learning/story telling in real time, so this coupled with a decent sized social media followers and pateron that tech is finally delivering on what the Internet was promising since the days of Geo-sites.

I think writing children's books for example has just gotten easier than ever for a very accessible price (~$15).

Re:DeepMind Dramatron: a new tool for writers to co-write th... by Melting_Harps on Saturday December 10, 2022 @06:56PM (#33938377)
> I think writing children's books for example has just gotten easier than ever for a very accessible price

Update: It happened [0].

0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KW1XiLEt_M

Re:DeepMind Dramatron: a new tool for writers to co-write th... by seydor on Friday December 09, 2022 @05:51PM (#33927493)
you can also ask it to interject some ads
Re:DeepMind Dramatron: a new tool for writers to co-write th... by hexomancer on Friday December 09, 2022 @01:48PM (#33925024)
> nobody wants to communicate with a bot.

The number of ChatGPT submissions in the past week begs to differ.

Re:DeepMind Dramatron: a new tool for writers to co-write th... by seydor on Friday December 09, 2022 @01:55PM (#33925095)
i use it a lot, but if someone tried to sell its output as a work for art i d laugh
Re:DeepMind Dramatron: a new tool for writers to co-write th... by ilaksh on Friday December 09, 2022 @03:40PM (#33926213)
Have you tried character.ai? Designed for that type of thing.