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Re:Neovim Conf 2022 by halostatue on Friday December 09, 2022 @12:27PM (#33923976)
None of the ones that support macOS are good, and all of them that don’t have explicit macOS support are all awful.

Given the choice, I can either:

1. Hate every day of working with the substandard state of neovim GUIs

2. Hate every day of working with neovim remediated by a terminal

3. Switch to Emacs

4. Switch to VS Code

or

5. Keep using MacVim, because it just works

I try each of the various active neovim GUIs every few months. Usually, I end up noping out of each one with just trying to edit a single file. For ones that have stuck for a day or two, I end up noping out of them because they are missing key OS integrations or are sluggish or have made decisions to act more like an IDE (Vimr) that result in a UI that’s less flexible than gvim or MacVim itself.

You say that gvim isn’t a great GUI, but that’s a subjective — and IMO wrong — opinion. It is vim. It doesn’t try to be anything but vim. It doesn’t try to add IDE frippery (because you can implement all of that with vim plugins) or switch to an entirely different plugin system where you can’t use any of your existing configuration (Oni2).

gvim — and MacVim — are great GUIs for being separate non-terminal-bound views on vim. There’s not a single neovim GUI that has reached that level, and most of them get abandoned because, in the end, no one on the neovim ecosystem cares because the core project doesn't care.

Re:Neovim Conf 2022 by sophacles on Friday December 09, 2022 @12:50PM (#33924270)
So you have some subjective preferences, and that is enough to make you rage about a fork that didn't stop development on the original?

I would like so suggest you reconsider your priorities - all this anger over something existing is probably bad for your heart.

Re:Neovim Conf 2022 by halostatue on Friday December 09, 2022 @02:09PM (#33925257)
I suggest that you start reading for clarity and stop assuming that someone who feels strongly about something is angry. The condescension you’re expressing is both ignorant and asinine.
Re:Neovim Conf 2022 by sophacles on Friday December 09, 2022 @04:03PM (#33926433)
Oh sure, you're so not angry that you need to insult me for misunderstanding your ranty walls of text. My bad.
Re:Neovim Conf 2022 by alwillis on Friday December 09, 2022 @02:04PM (#33925203)
>None of the ones that support macOS are good, and all of them that don’t have explicit macOS support are all awful.

VimR is very good; I've been using it before it started using Neovim as the core [1].

[1]: https://github.com/qvacua/vimr

Re:Neovim Conf 2022 by halostatue on Friday December 09, 2022 @02:12PM (#33925287)
It’s not very good. It is perhaps the best available Neovim GUI, but VimR has been an unusable mess every time I have tried because it’s trying to be an IDE first and not Vim first.

Before I can take Neovim seriously, I need a Neovim GUI that is exactly what gvim or MacVim provide — not something that adds features I neither want nor need nor can I easily disable.

Granted, it’s been about six months since I’ve used VimR, but I bounce off it every time, because it doesn’t work with the configuration that I have built up trying to match my Vim configuration to the best of my ability.

Re:Neovim Conf 2022 by alwillis on Friday December 09, 2022 @04:09PM (#33926485)
>Before I can take Neovim seriously, I need a Neovim GUI that is exactly what gvim or MacVim provide — not something that adds features I neither want nor need nor can I easily disable.

Having used MacVim for several years and now using Neovim mostly in the terminal but sometimes VimR, I disagree that it's a mess.

I get wanting to have a common gvim ui/ux across platforms, but I think having a Mac-like or Windows-like ui/ux on those platforms mostly trumps that.

Also, the special features of VimR, like the built-in file browser and Markdown preview can easily be disabled. Using the native rendering of macOS and support for ligatures, for example, is certainly a plus IMHO.