Re:The sad story of Heisenberg's doctoral oral exam (1998)
by mannykannot on Thursday December 08, 2022 @11:05AM
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There is a very real sense that what he was a 'specialist' in was figuring out what's fundamental to all of physics - so not so narrow.
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Re:The sad story of Heisenberg's doctoral oral exam (1998)
by bowsamic on Thursday December 08, 2022 @11:09AM
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Well yeah but that is more of a coincidence that he happened to be a specialist in something with wide effects. QM had implications far beyond just those fundamentals, but I would imagine that he would not have known much about those fields that QM ended up having an effect on. For example, did he know much about optics, which was one of the fields most heavily affected by QM?
The widespread impact of your field and the specificity of actually working in your field are two very different things.
Re:The sad story of Heisenberg's doctoral oral exam (1998)
by mannykannot on Thursday December 08, 2022 @11:45AM
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Coincidence?
Re:The sad story of Heisenberg's doctoral oral exam (1998)
by bowsamic on Thursday December 08, 2022 @02:10PM
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Meaning that he happened to work on something that had widespread effect, he didn’t plan for it. It was luck that quantum mechanics was so successful
Re:The sad story of Heisenberg's doctoral oral exam (1998)
by mannykannot on Thursday December 08, 2022 @02:14PM
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I think it is clear that Heisenberg, Sommerfeld, Born and others at the forefront of theoretical physics at the time were well aware of how important and far-reaching the issues that comprised Heisenberg's real work were.
As explained in the article, his diversion into hydrodynamics was purely to secure a doctorate from a physics establishment which had not yet caught up to this fact, and I would say that, if anything, it is this establishment which suffered a surfeit of narrow specializations.
Re:The sad story of Heisenberg's doctoral oral exam (1998)
by bowsamic on Thursday December 08, 2022 @04:05PM
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That isn’t at all clear to me as a physicist
Are you a physicist?
Re:The sad story of Heisenberg's doctoral oral exam (1998)
by mannykannot on Thursday December 08, 2022 @08:40PM
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So you think your being a physicist gives you special insight into whether Sommerfeld, Born and Heisenberg understood the significance of what they were working on? Explain.
Re:The sad story of Heisenberg's doctoral oral exam (1998)
by bowsamic on Friday December 09, 2022 @07:33AM
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Yes, of course. I am an expert in physics, you are not...
Re:The sad story of Heisenberg's doctoral oral exam (1998)
by mannykannot on Friday December 09, 2022 @10:10AM
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That's not an explanation, that's a rather trite attempt at an ad-hominem evasion. What (and how) does your exhaustive knowledge of physics allow you to conclude about how Sommerfeld, Born and Heisenberg viewed the significance of what they were working on, that you assume is not available to me? Use whatever physics is necessary to explain how you came to your position - I might know more than you assume.