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Re:Even profitable firms fleeing California by rdl on Saturday December 24, 2011 @10:25PM (#3390353)
I think it's really hard to get accurate figures here.

Clearly a lot of major CA employers choose to put factories or large operations in other states for cost reasons; some of this may be regulatory, some may be taxes, some may be availability of labor, some may be availability of other resources (cheap power in OR/WA, old industrial facilities to repurpose, ...).

I don't think a lot of companies move their HQs from California to elsewhere, but you could easily have a much bigger effect from California-HQ companies putting their major new facilities out of the state.

I personally would like to put my business in Washington, Nevada, Hong Kong, maybe Texas, or potentially Colorado or Montana, for a mix of tax, regulatory, and cost reasons. Unfortunately, with the possible exception of Seattle, there's really no way to reliably locally hire enough computer security people, or to have proximity to customers, to overcome the advantage of the Bay Area. The alternative is some kind of distributed company, or recruiting and relocating lots of people, but that makes the difficult problem of a startup even harder.

Re:Even profitable firms fleeing California by functionoid on Sunday December 25, 2011 @01:35PM (#3391358)
Really Washington? Do you see what is happening to Boeing?

You are missing the point it is not about software company or manufacturing company sooner or later we all will get affected. It is about the path of self destruction Democrats are taking us on with their ideological thinking and and selfish behavior to remain in power.

Re:Even profitable firms fleeing California by rdl on Sunday December 25, 2011 @05:26PM (#3391721)
No one will really hurt a 50-200 person tech company. If you're a large company, sure, I could see some extortion potential.

There are a lot of things WA politicians are doing which seem reasonable, especially compared to other states. There are a lot of factors besides government; Seattle happens to be a great tech place for computer security, and UW is really good. WA people and weather are nice, and it is a good place to live.

If it is just about minimum regulation, startups would all be in NV and WY. Very few are.

Re:Even profitable firms fleeing California by ojbyrne on Monday December 26, 2011 @02:36PM (#3393719)
So you're really going to use the example of one of the most heavily government-subsidized businesses ever to advance the cause of deregulation?
Re:Even profitable firms fleeing California by functionoid on Monday December 26, 2011 @11:49PM (#3394857)
Never heard of building aircraft (Boeing) as government subsidized. If you are talking about solar panels then yes.
Re:Even profitable firms fleeing California by rdl on Tuesday December 27, 2011 @03:12AM (#3395132)
Boeing gets massive government assistance. Aside from their Defense and Space business (which is facing some serious problems now) which is basically direct federal money, US trade policy encourages sale of commercial aircraft internationally.

Big industrial companies selling overseas get much more assistance from the federal government than any small computer company hacker news people would be familiar with. The US does this a lot less than most countries, too, but it definitely exists.

Boeing has far closer ties to the government than a tech startup would.