Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by Macha on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @07:26AM (#33878610)

Of course if gender non-normativity can be learned, so too can gender normativity, (e.g. bro culture is arguably a form of men learning to do what their local culture considers male things). I don't think all trans people would disagree with that part as much as you think (see the "I never knew that could be an option" thoughts from some late transitioners reflecting back), the bit they'd disagree with is the idea that there is an aberration or problem to those who opt to identify with a gender other than their identified at birth sex.

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Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by Ord3rChaos on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @07:49AM (#33878815)

Normativity by definition is related to actions/outcomes that society deems good/desirable/permissible; non-normativity, the opposite. Societal goals are always a moving target, so it follows that normativity is as well.

My dad still uses language like "C'mon! Be a man and do {this thing}."

Personally, I believe when I'm old and crotchety the winds of society will leave my language at something like "C'mon! You should do {this thing}." and leave the gender out of it entirely.

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Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by pjc50 on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @07:54AM (#33878884)

> "I never knew that could be an option" thoughts from some late transitioners

Anedotally, the three people I knew before transition who later transitioned have all expressed some form of process "I was depressed and didn't understand why" -> "I had these thoughts but suppressed them because I felt they were weird / unacceptable" -> "I learned what transition is and the pieces fell into place".

Edit: over a period of many years, that's why they were late transitioners!

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Re:Stop that It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass soci... by ReactiveJelly on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @07:55AM (#33878892)

Yeah the reason that the "social contagion" stuff makes my blood pressure spike is because it's almost always a prelude to some kind of "And they're trying to force-feminize everyone and then they're gonna take our children" stuff.

You know like, Quentin Tarantino isn't racist even though he said the N word, but if I'm walking down the street and a total stranger comes up to me and starts throwing the N word around, safe bet they're saying something dumb.

See my comment a few days ago about "The Internet is graffiti in a bathroom stall". I could probably have a calm good-faith conversation with any of you in real life about gender. But not on a web forum.

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