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Re:DHS Announces Extension of Real ID Full Enforcement Deadline by ohgodplsno on Monday December 05, 2022 @02:01PM (#33870177)
Pretty much every functioning democracy in the world has a national ID system, because that's how any functioning country works. The US is not special in that regard. In fact, most major countries in the world without an ID system are... all former colonies of the UK.

But I guess you can keep on being scared of leaking your SSN (that everyone unofficially uses as an ID anyways) and keep on using different cards depending on the state. There's a reason identity theft is so prevalent in the US, and pretty much nowhere else in the world.

Re:DHS Announces Extension of Real ID Full Enforcement Deadline by Godel_unicode on Monday December 05, 2022 @02:43PM (#33870790)
> identity theft is so prevalent in the US, and pretty much nowhere else in the world.

That’s decidedly untrue.

https://focusonbusiness.eu/en/news/one-in-five-europeans-hav...

Re:DHS Announces Extension of Real ID Full Enforcement Deadline by lxgr on Monday December 05, 2022 @02:54PM (#33870953)
The consequences of identity theft in many EU countries are dramatically less severe than in the US, though.

This is mostly due to not using a short, immutable identifier (like the US SSN) effectively as a bearer token, as far as I can tell.

Even getting a copy (or even the original!) of somebody's passport or driver's license is not enough to open a bank account or a credit card in many EU countries; in Germany, you need to actually appear in front of a bank employee (or subcontractor), personally or in a video chat, verify your identity, and confirm your intention to open a new account.

Re:DHS Announces Extension of Real ID Full Enforcement Deadline by maxerickson on Monday December 05, 2022 @10:37PM (#33875598)
The downsides to identity fraud come from letting the parties that are defrauded push the problem onto an uninvolved third party.

It should be easy to tell a bank to screw off when they issue a fraudulent account, it isn't the named parties fault that the bank wasn't diligent.

Re:DHS Announces Extension of Real ID Full Enforcement Deadline by sofixa on Monday December 05, 2022 @02:49PM (#33870871)
I don't see their methodology but this sounds absurd. Half of UK's citizens have experienced identity fraud? Highly suspicious numbers.
Re:DHS Announces Extension of Real ID Full Enforcement Deadline by bananapub on Monday December 05, 2022 @02:45PM (#33870821)
> Pretty much every functioning democracy in the world has a national ID system,

is that true?

I know Australia, UK, Ireland, US, don't have a national ID, while almost all EU countries do. What does it look like elsewhere?

Re:DHS Announces Extension of Real ID Full Enforcement Deadline by WirelessGigabit on Monday December 05, 2022 @03:23PM (#33871353)
Living in the USA not having to carry an ID all the time is a breath of fresh air. Not having to call the cops to tell them I moved to that their records are up to date and so that they can come to my place of residence to see whether I actually live there is a breath of fresh air.

I don't want to government to know that much about me. It has been proven over and over that less is better.

Re:DHS Announces Extension of Real ID Full Enforcement Deadline by outworlder on Monday December 05, 2022 @03:43PM (#33871643)
> Not having to call the cops to tell them I moved to that their records are up to date and so that they can come to my place of residence to see whether I actually live there is a breath of fresh air.

Eh. In most states you are required to get a new DL if you move. So, in fact, you have to tell the state where you live.

Whereas with a national ID, that wouldn't be tied to a place of residence.

Re:DHS Announces Extension of Real ID Full Enforcement Deadline by dragonwriter on Monday December 05, 2022 @03:51PM (#33871743)
> Whereas with a national ID, that wouldn’t be tied to a place of residence.

Why would you assume that? our current substitute for a national ID (state issued ID compliant with the federal REAL ID Act) requires current address, and has higher standards for proof of address than many pre-REAL ID state IDs did.

Re:DHS Announces Extension of Real ID Full Enforcement Deadline by everforward on Monday December 05, 2022 @04:31PM (#33872196)
Can't reply to toomuchtodo so dropping this here; your passport is tied to your address via your SSN which is tied to tax returns. They frankly probably know where you live better than the state you reside in. I know lots of people that haven't updated the address on their driver's license, but I don't know anyone that gives the IRS an incorrect address.
Re:DHS Announces Extension of Real ID Full Enforcement Deadline by throwaway742 on Monday December 05, 2022 @05:10PM (#33872607)
Not everyone files a tax return.
Re:DHS Announces Extension of Real ID Full Enforcement Deadline by refurb on Monday December 05, 2022 @09:47PM (#33875265)
> your passport is tied to your address via your SSN which is tied to tax returns.

Not really. I file my tax return and the address isn't where I live. It doesn't have to be, it's a mailing address.

Re:DHS Announces Extension of Real ID Full Enforcement Deadline by toomuchtodo on Monday December 05, 2022 @04:13PM (#33872016)
My passport and global entry card do not require a physical address. Just give me a US version of Estonia’s identity smart card and make it work with Login.gov.
Re:DHS Announces Extension of Real ID Full Enforcement Deadline by throwaway742 on Monday December 05, 2022 @05:09PM (#33872602)
If you just get a state ID card and not a DL there is no requirement to update your address.
Re:DHS Announces Extension of Real ID Full Enforcement Deadline by landemva on Monday December 05, 2022 @11:46PM (#33876032)
The State licenses I have seen have two blank lines on back upon which someone who gets a different address simply writes the new address.
Re:DHS Announces Extension of Real ID Full Enforcement Deadline by sagarm on Monday December 05, 2022 @05:00PM (#33872508)
Having a national ID and carrying it are two separate things. Many Americans already have a national ID (passport) and do not carry it.

Conversely, the most common state ID (driver's license) is effectively mandatory to carry at all times for most Americans because it is required to drive a motor vehicle and driving a motor vehicle is required to move around outside of major urban areas.