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Re:The Truth Matters and Secular Humanists Should Defend It by papandada on Saturday December 03, 2022 @10:50PM (#33850411)
Your words, "a body/identity contrary to how they feel." Your assumption, among many, is to absolutize such a feeling as "existence." Such a person clearly exists, and suffers. It is again your assumption, and confusion, to jump to transitioning as the sole solution to that suffering.
Re:The Truth Matters and Secular Humanists Should Defend It by 0ct4via on Sunday December 04, 2022 @01:11PM (#33856063)
No, I don't assume, I go on what people say and decades of study on the matter, but good job making things up again

Again, no assumption, and no "jumping" -- people have been transitioning longer than either of us have existed in this world, and the data shows by and large it is what works to actually give gender-incongruent people a safe and happy life.

Again, gender is a social construct -- but if the gender incongruence and dysphoria are such that they clealrly don't match the sex assigned at birth, transitioning does wonders for both mental health, and actual quality of life -- but keep assuming toxic nonsense, since you're clearly trying to hide your bigotry on the matter.

You've still failed to say anything remotely true in a response, or suggested any form of treatment. You go on about working on "the feeling," but if the feeling is inherent difference between identified gender and assigned sex, transition is absolutely the gold standard in treatment routes.

Go read WPATH. Talk to trans people. Look at studies. Listen to parents and family of trans children suffering in the US because of backwards, religion-fuelled laws. That is an issue for secularism, religious beliefs shouldn't be used to push denial of medical treatment to those who you disagree are deserving of said treatment.

Re:The Truth Matters and Secular Humanists Should Defend It by papandada on Sunday December 04, 2022 @01:56PM (#33856491)
I've pointed out logical errors in your discourse, using your own words. I haven't offered any solutions, nor attempted to. You haven't provided any redress to the errors I pointed out.

Edit: and added further errors along the way, like ascribing all kinds of things to me I haven't said nor implied.

Edit 2: let me just call it out, you called me a bigot for pointing out a logical error. Addressing the error would have been a sufficient response.

Re:The Truth Matters and Secular Humanists Should Defend It by 0ct4via on Sunday December 04, 2022 @05:55PM (#33858925)
No, I called you a bigot because you're making claims about other options, while offering no alternative, and dismissing the accepted treatment.

When there's one definitive treatment option, with empirical evidence. It's not my fault you don't do your research.

Re:The Truth Matters and Secular Humanists Should Defend It by papandada on Monday December 05, 2022 @01:23PM (#33869522)
Anyway, I only pointed out your own flawed reasoning, or, charitably, unproven assumptions. I gave you the opportunity to give evidence for your assumptions, and you gave none. You instead said many irrelevant things. Asking a question is not the same as promoting an alternative therapy. This should be understood by any rational person participating in a site promoting curious discourse and assuming good faith. If you want to point me to do my own research, that's your choice, although your own severe flaws still remain. Since you have up to now seemed unable to even understand what I am pointing out, let me know and I can explain them to the detail you would require to understand.