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Re:France prepares for possibility of electricity blackouts ... by sfifs on Saturday December 03, 2022 @09:09PM (#33849830)
Europe basically needs to federalize and become a fiscal union like the US or India to stay powerful and get rid of these inefficiencies but are too divided by bad blood from about half a century ago and by vested interests of it's leadership class to do so. While many make the argument of diversity in cultures making union difficult, India has more diversity in culture and languages but has the advantage of almost half a century or so of concerted effort to unify the country pre and post independence - in contrast to the wars in Europe. So India is often able to plan and implement at a national level on some of these economic issues. The amount of development in the last quarter of a century has been nothing short of remarkable. Of course everyone else outside of Europe encourages divisions as a united nuclear armed Europe with over half a billion people in an advanced economy would become a powerful force and nobody has forgotten what colonization by Europe in Asia and Africa entailed. It remains to be seen if Europe residents will realise where there best interests lie.
Re:France prepares for possibility of electricity blackouts ... by bruce511 on Sunday December 04, 2022 @02:13AM (#33851371)
I suspect language will be a key barrier in changing Europe from a Union to a single country.

Language us a powerful factor in population dynamics (see Canada with English and French) and in Europe you'd be dealing with major language roots.

English obviously, but also French, German, Spanish, Italian, Greek, Polish and so on. I don't see much cohesion with so many languages, and no current country to give up language primacy.

Using language to create an us-versus-them situation is easy, and I don't see this happy union-of-equals easily subscribing to a federated state concept.

Re:France prepares for possibility of electricity blackouts ... by 2000UltraDeluxe on Sunday December 04, 2022 @03:38AM (#33851802)
It's not just language. There's also cultural differences, religious differebces, inter-cultural conflict, historical controversies and so on.

There is a small spark of European identify slowly forming amongst younger generations, but it will take decades before anything like a federal union would even be feasable.

Re:France prepares for possibility of electricity blackouts ... by BiteCode_dev on Sunday December 04, 2022 @05:22AM (#33852298)
Indeed, if you think Alabama and California are different, wait until you compare Italia and Norway.

Not to mention the economic power difference is huge.

Re:France prepares for possibility of electricity blackouts ... by sfifs on Sunday December 04, 2022 @07:26AM (#33853057)
Refer to Indian states. The languages across most states are actually mutually un-intelligible and cultures probably much more dramatically different than anything in Europe. In most of Europe, the majority culture have common elements of either Catholic or Protestant or Eastern Orthodox Christianity.
Re:France prepares for possibility of electricity blackouts ... by BiteCode_dev on Sunday December 04, 2022 @08:43AM (#33853638)
True, but I don't look at India as a success.

I really don't won't Europe to look like India in any way, administratively, politically and logistically speaking. Not to mention the countless tensions you can feel accross the country when you travel there. It seems like a ticking social bomb when I go there, and we don't have the class system to shut up lower classes and women.

Re:France prepares for possibility of electricity blackouts ... by 2000UltraDeluxe on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @06:01AM (#33878002)
The partition of colonial India was anything but a peaceful road to co-existence. The consequences included over a million dead, and tens of millions of people displaced. Last time I checked, India and Pakistan shelling each others' positions is still so commonplace that it's become a meme.
Re:France prepares for possibility of electricity blackouts ... by germandiago on Sunday December 04, 2022 @04:23AM (#33851990)
state nation model is over. Time for decentralized low-tax systems.

Those mammoth states are only interesting for people with power ambitions, as this last war demonstrates.

Re:France prepares for possibility of electricity blackouts ... by rahen on Sunday December 04, 2022 @06:22AM (#33852607)
Absolutely. As the states are collapsing under their own weight (particularly for large western countries like the US and France), the transition to a new model will be unavoidable.

The next decades will be fascinating to observe in that regard.

Re:France prepares for possibility of electricity blackouts ... by germandiago on Sunday December 04, 2022 @07:05AM (#33852908)
States are trying to put all kind of walls especially when CDBC come out to control population.

Do not underestimate them. But many ppl noticed already that nowadays this is not the best way to organize and that they are just there to suck resources.

But they will try with all kind of tricks to keep control, unfortunately.

Re:France prepares for possibility of electricity blackouts ... by sfifs on Sunday December 04, 2022 @07:42AM (#33853163)
It fact the reverse is true if you critically examine how power works. At a most fundamental level, the ability to maintain a state is a matter of (1) maintaining a monopoly on violence inside your jurisdiction so you can collect tax revenue in return for orderly administration (2) maintaining sufficient degree of both benefit and deterrence towards outsiders so they don't invade you.

In the modern high technology world, both (1) and (2) require increasingly higher investments to sustain advantage which favours bigger states. Small states have to work very hard on carrots on (2) in particular to avoid being trampled. Tax friendly small jurisdictions largely survive at the whim & fancy of the elites of the bigger countries whose private interests they serve. Tourism focused small countries face the same pressures of serving the elites of bigger countries and in fact were trampled during covid lockdowns. Small countries that can't make (2) work stay poor.

The Ukraine conflict effectively demonstrates the point. Previously, Ukraine failed at (1) in the provinces which had high ethnic Russian populations and (2) by giving up nuclear weapons and giving up Crimea without a war which enabled the invasion.

Even though it turns out Russia seems to have badly miscalculated it's ability to win, the war has dragged so long in spite of causing major global economic disruptions because no one else feels able to intervene due to the high technology Nuclear ICBM threat.

Re:France prepares for possibility of electricity blackouts ... by germandiago on Sunday December 04, 2022 @10:54AM (#33854734)
If people turn their back and understand this is not good, in the long run they will lose.

If people understand that power calls power, that too centralized power is evil and that the world is not as dangerous as they pretend (in the sense that safety is more due to conventions and culture than on surveillance everywhere) then they will start to refuse it because they will understand the threat is the state itself when it grows so much. This is my current perception but was not so like 20 years ago or 25.

I know many ppl that do not believe anymore in tax systems as an effective vehicle to solve most problems but see it more of a problem where some ppl are doing their business from.