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Re:South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices by gjsman-1000 on Friday December 02, 2022 @04:42PM (#33837320)
No, it is almost certainly deliberate.

In China, all companies with more than 50 employees are legally obligated to have dedicated Chinese Communist Party representatives overseeing, according to Harvard Business Publishing (https://hbsp.harvard.edu/product/R1403J-HCB-ENG). Social media companies? They probably have tons of mandatory representatives guiding the system. ByteDance also had a "nominal" 1% ownership taken by the Chinese government, which then got 1 of 3 board seats supposedly from that investment (https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/08/17/chinese...).

So you have a company which is absolutely at the size where dedicated CCP representatives are mandatory, with a board seat possessed by a representative of a state-owned enterprise. How much separation is there, really? Add to that, TikTok has been censoring the Uighur genocide, Tiananmen Square riots, Falun Gong, so forth despite not operating in China, as well documented (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/sep/25/revealed-...) and (https://www.codastory.com/authoritarian-tech/xinjiang-china-...). If you censor things in non-Chinese nations to please the Chinese government, plus the earlier facts, you're controlled.

Finally... putting that together, it is safe to say TikTok is under substantial control of the CCP. What does every Chinese student, and almost every Communist Party leader, learn in their schools (for being a communist leader has mandatory education in many things, including lessons taken from the fall of the USSR, to avoid such a fate)?

"The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting." - Sun Tzu

Re:South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices by the_lonely_road on Friday December 02, 2022 @05:22PM (#33837762)
Your point would be stronger if YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, and every streaming service in the country was showing the same kind of content. TikTok getting bashed for serving American consumers American content is one of the silliest trends on Hacker News.
Re:South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices by gjsman-1000 on Friday December 02, 2022 @05:44PM (#33837996)
And the CCP doesn't have ties or influence with them...
Re:South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices by Karunamon on Friday December 02, 2022 @06:06PM (#33838199)
Not to the degree that TikTok does. If you have evidence to the contrary, please share it.
Re:South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices by gjsman-1000 on Friday December 02, 2022 @06:13PM (#33838259)
Re:South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices by Karunamon on Friday December 02, 2022 @06:19PM (#33838310)
I'm sorry but I cannot take this politician seriously. Hawley has a storied history of talking mad smack and writing bombastic, strongly worded letters at California tech companies which never really go anywhere.

To me at least, it comes off as red meat for the base.

Re:South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices by dv_dt on Friday December 02, 2022 @05:07PM (#33837598)
I’m not sure it’s so different from the club being a political party or the club being from the Ivy League for top end business and political roles.

I think a narrow set of outlooks is bad for the general population.

If you think TikTok deliberately prioritizes dumbed down content then why does Facebook or Fox news also do it?

Re:South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices by gjsman-1000 on Friday December 02, 2022 @05:12PM (#33837658)
Because sex sells. Need I say more?

I'm dead serious. Go on Facebook, Twitter, even Fox News, how many images can you find without revealing clothing, suggestive poses, suggestive dances, etc.? Not far.

For them, it's a financial motive. For TikTok, because it is so bottom of the barrel, I think it has both financial and strategic motive.

Re:South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices by DiogenesKynikos on Friday December 02, 2022 @05:28PM (#33837825)
This is a paranoid vision of how China works.

TikTok is a private company that wants to make money. If it could make more money by showing Chinese audiences more trashy content, it absolutely would. And in fact, it does show a great deal of mindless content in China.

However, as is well known, China has recently been trying to regulate children's use of the internet (e.g., time limits on internet gaming). If companies were already willingly doing what the Communist Party wants, the Chinese government wouldn't have to pass these new regulations in the first place. And guess what happens when the government passes these sorts of regulations? Companies immediately start looking for ways to skirt them.

> legally obligated to have dedicated Chinese Communist Party representatives overseeing

No, at least legally, these committees have no oversight role in private companies. Companies with over 50 employees are required to allow a Party committee to organize and meet, but it doesn't have a role in management.

There are far too many grand statements nowadays about how China works, coming from sources that don't actually seem to be very familiar with the country. There is a very strong tendency in the West now to view everything about China through a paranoid lens. The truth is usually much more boring.

In this case, the truth is that Douyin (TikTok in China) has plenty of trashy content, but that there's more government regulation than before.

Re:South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices by gjsman-1000 on Friday December 02, 2022 @05:35PM (#33837904)
> This is a paranoid vision of how China works.

The more I read about China the more paranoid I get. I don't think they haven't earned it.

Re:South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices by DiogenesKynikos on Friday December 02, 2022 @05:47PM (#33838028)
I recommend going to China and seeing for yourself.

What you read from afar and what you see on the ground are very different. Imagine if all you heard about the US were constant stories about gun violence, drone strikes and homelessness. You'd have a very distorted view of life in America. That's basically the situation with China, if your only point of reference is what you read in the English-language media.

Re:South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices by nradov on Friday December 02, 2022 @06:00PM (#33838138)
Only an idiot would risk traveling to China at this point. You could be detained and held as a political bargaining chip.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/19/families-biden-admi...

I should have visited China back when it was opening up and relations were relatively friendly. But now that we have entered a new Cold War it's too late, I missed my chance.

Re:South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices by DiogenesKynikos on Friday December 02, 2022 @06:23PM (#33838344)
About 150 million tourists (or shall we call them "idiots"?) travel to China without incident every year.

I don't know what, specially, is happening in the 200 cases described by the Politico article you linked to. Politico mentions one accusation of drug trafficking and another of spying.

Re:South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices by gjsman-1000 on Friday December 02, 2022 @05:54PM (#33838091)
So... do you deny that 1.8 million Muslims are held within "re-education" camps in Xinjang, and claim that I have no need to fear the government even if that be the case, and that the United Nations is pulling it out of their rear with their allegations of forced confessions and torture on a broad systemic scale?

And I'm the one to blame for being paranoid? If you were one of those Muslims, would your paranoia be unjustified?

EDIT: Looking at the few pages of your profile, every single message you have posted is defending China in some capacity, even bending over backwards for certain issues. YOU are making me paranoid and look exactly like the propaganda agents China has hired.

Re:South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices by DiogenesKynikos on Friday December 02, 2022 @06:26PM (#33838373)
I don't know what the subject we were discussing (whether TikTok is part of a plot to dumb down Americans) has to do with Xinjiang.

> every single message you have posted is defending China

I just comment on what interests me at the moment, and because of the rising level of paranoia about China (paranoia which I think is dangerous), I've been commenting more on these sorts of issues - which I happen to know a bit about.

Shill accusations go against HN rules, by the way.