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Re:South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices by pasquinelli on Friday December 02, 2022 @04:23PM (#33837116)
sounds like china has the right idea. it takes me (in america) constantly weeding the garden of my youtube (also american) to minimize the dumb shit it shows me. so does america want stupid americans? is that not the biggest deal?
Re:South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices by krapp on Friday December 02, 2022 @04:27PM (#33837163)
> so does america want stupid americans?

Given how many Americans mistrust "academia," "liberal education" and "mainstream science," I'm gonna go with yes, given some disturbingly large value of yes.

It would be nice if Youtube and other algorithmically driven platforms preferred to surface educational and factual content but as soon as they tried, of course, Americans would scream bloody murder about the Ministry of Truth trying to indoctrinate them with wokeist propaganda, censor alternative facts and placate the masses with MKULTRA mind control. And we'd have to have another futile conversation about who watches the watchers and what even "facts" are.

Re:South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices by nebula8804 on Friday December 02, 2022 @04:42PM (#33837321)
I think you are too focused on one side of the bubble. The most popular desired career in the US is Youtuber/influencer and before that it was actor. This is just how American culture always was.

[1]:https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3617062/children-turn-backs-on...

(I get the irony of pushing a gossip blog to prove the point)

As others have mentioned, before the rise of Youtube, the learning based channels on TV weren't doing so well in terms of popularity.

On a positive note though, our late stage capitalism era(plus half the millenial generation failing) has beaten any idea of "follow your dreams" out of young peoples souls. As a result, Gen-Z (and I suspect Gan Alpha) seem to be very pragmatic when they come of age and realize that the only real viable career is to hide in a closet/cube and be a coder or (surprisingly) enter the trades. Great for the US economy, terrible for the generation's self-esteem. (Gen-Z has one of the highest suicide rate of any generation in American history).

[2]:https://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-teenage-gen-z-american-s...

Re:South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices by Spooky23 on Friday December 02, 2022 @04:33PM (#33837222)
Freedumb baby.
Re:South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices by lo_zamoyski on Friday December 02, 2022 @04:50PM (#33837412)
What are you proposing exactly? That the US government moderate YouTube content?
Re:South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices by nemothekid on Friday December 02, 2022 @05:41PM (#33837958)
>That the US government moderate YouTube content?

But that's what everyone is asking for when they talk about TikTok. Either

1. You are concerned about the content exposed to Americans, in which case you cannot single out TikTok, you must also address Instagram and YouTube and prevent them from shoveling the incredibly stick tiktok garbage

2. You are just sinophobic and using this issue as a wedge to ban TikTok. Maybe you also work for Facebook and need to crush a competitior.

Re:South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices by gjsman-1000 on Friday December 02, 2022 @04:52PM (#33837427)
The FCC has the authority to ban swearing and nudity on public television. States can ban nudity, profanity, and (in my state) adult video-store ads from highway signage. States can control what teachers instruct students with (who wants a flat-earth teacher?) I don't see why a law, which generically states that recommendation algorithms operated by a publicly-owned company must bias towards intellectually stimulating content, would necessarily be a violation of the First Amendment without undermining earlier accepted laws.
Re:South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices by kelnos on Friday December 02, 2022 @05:29PM (#33837835)
FCC rules are in place because those things you mention are a part of the commons. Publicly-viewable by anyone, and also exclusionary: someone broadcasting on particular airwaves or putting up advertisements takes up physical space that no one else can use.

That's... not the same as a service on the internet, at all.

You're also talking about a completely different regulation regime. The FCC rules prohibit certain (fairly narrow?) things, largely "obscenity". A regulation that requires a company to actively promote certain things is... not even remotely the same.

Re:South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices by mullingitover on Friday December 02, 2022 @05:19PM (#33837726)
> I don't see why a law, which generically states that recommendation algorithms operated by a publicly-owned company must bias towards intellectually stimulating content, would necessarily be a violation of the First Amendment without undermining earlier accepted laws.

This is an extremely misleading line of reasoning.

Publicly traded companies are not 'public' in the same sense as publicly owned airwaves, public (that is, government) employees, and public property. They don't cede any constitutional rights simply by offering equity for sale in the capital markets.

Re:South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices by Cyberdog on Friday December 02, 2022 @05:20PM (#33837738)
I don’t like the idea that the First (or any other) Amendment should be violated because there is already so much precedent for it.
Re:South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices by sofixa on Friday December 02, 2022 @06:27PM (#33838379)
Or maybe it could be amended to be adapted to the today's world (i doubt recommendation algorithms were on the minds of 18th century lawmakers).
Re:South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices by Cyberdog on Friday December 02, 2022 @06:53PM (#33838587)
No, but the broader idea of sensationalist journalism wouldn't have been a foreign concept.

At any rate, there is a process for amending the Constitution, so if you want the First Amendment to change such that the federal government has a clear mandate to do this sort of thing, feel free to campaign for that. But just repeated violation by the state is not that process.

Re:South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices by hutzlibu on Friday December 02, 2022 @05:18PM (#33837722)
I have seen and heard way too many dumb things by people in suits in the finest language, so I do not think focusing on this is helping much.

"recommendation algorithms operated by a publicly-owned company must bias towards intellectually stimulating content"

How would you even define "intellectually stimulating content" in juristical clear terms?

If I would want to increase the general level of science education (I strongly do), I would increase funding to schools and enable them to have fun experiments with the students of all sorts.

I love science, ever have and my teachers did the best they could, but even to me school was booring as hell.

Re:South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices by _mway on Friday December 02, 2022 @05:43PM (#33837987)
I don't think America (as a collective) "wants stupid Americans", I think people are generally of the mind that "intelligence is good". Unfortunately, I think what that means is largely subjective in many cases, and tends to be aligned with their own interests/preferences.

My suspicion, which is mostly just me thinking out loud and is based on no real evidence, is that folks are (a) largely desensitized to stimulation due to aggressive "marketing" (in the loosest sense of the word - whether ads, click/viewbait, or other quasi-exploitative attention-grabbing things); and/or (b) have observed that, culturally, a lot of "dumb shit" is mainstream enough (in terms of critical mass within their social microcosm) to warrant conformity, and thus may be a preference that is adopted for identity or inclusivity purposes. Similarly, it may be seen as a pathway to some form of success or recognition (see: IG/YT influencers, tiktok fads, etc).

I'm sure other, much smarter folks have actual evidence or have performed studies (and I would be interested in learning more), but based on my personal experience, the above seems to hold true, generally speaking.

Re:South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices by npteljes on Saturday December 03, 2022 @02:53PM (#33846671)
>so does america want stupid americans

I'd say it depends on the politicians themselves. I'd say populists don't mind the people's stupidity and misery at all, because they turn that into an advantage for themselves, by very publicly providing, or even just promising, a short term relief for them. In this way, systemic issues like the welfare trap or wage slavery give them opportunity to inflate their popularity by organizing handouts, or by redirecting the people's misery to outgroups, such as non-heterosexuals, people of color, immigrants or other marginalized groups like people with addictions.