Re:Tesla Semi’s Enormous Battery Might Weigh 11,000 Pounds o...
by 0_____0 on Friday December 02, 2022 @02:54PM
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You're using a 16-17% figure for packaging overhead? That's low. Even with relatively expensive construction techniques (for example if you're doing EVTOL) you see 20-25% packaging overhead.
Re:Tesla Semi’s Enormous Battery Might Weigh 11,000 Pounds o...
by Robotbeat on Friday December 02, 2022 @02:59PM
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I agree, but a long haul, full payload electric Semi is a very challenging project comparable to an electric aircraft since you’re limited to near the same maximum total weight. I’m merely pointing out that such a battery pack is one possible solution, one that cannot be ruled out based on public information.
Re:Tesla Semi’s Enormous Battery Might Weigh 11,000 Pounds o...
by 0_____0 on Friday December 02, 2022 @04:53PM
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The in-use 2170 batteries are apparently 250Wh/kg. With that figure and a more realistic packaging overhead of 30% I'm seeing something like 190Wh/kg, which is more in line with your observation.
From the numbers I can find, the Model S 85kWh has 7104 18650 cells - if we use 49g for mass of cell, that's 767lb of cell vs the pack weight of 1200lb~, or a very rough packaging overhead of ~36%
This is a naïve analysis but it helps assuage my ego, as I've worked on designs for 26650 based packs where we would have been quite happy to hit 30% overhead :) That being said, I realize people can, and do in fact make more mass efficient packs.
(Tesla has typically done better than their peers in overall battery specific energy as well as energy per mile.)