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Re:Tesla Semi’s Enormous Battery Might Weigh 11,000 Pounds o... by Robotbeat on Friday December 02, 2022 @02:39PM (#33835705)
I already addressed that by including mass overhead for the overall battery. And sure, it’s always possible to assume more conservative numbers for a whole battery and assume Tesla DIDN’T do any engineering work to reduce overall battery mass, but that’s not something you should put in a headline.

(Tesla has typically done better than their peers in overall battery specific energy as well as energy per mile.)

Re:Tesla Semi’s Enormous Battery Might Weigh 11,000 Pounds o... by 0_____0 on Friday December 02, 2022 @02:54PM (#33835939)
You're using a 16-17% figure for packaging overhead? That's low. Even with relatively expensive construction techniques (for example if you're doing EVTOL) you see 20-25% packaging overhead.
Re:Tesla Semi’s Enormous Battery Might Weigh 11,000 Pounds o... by Robotbeat on Friday December 02, 2022 @02:59PM (#33836014)
I agree, but a long haul, full payload electric Semi is a very challenging project comparable to an electric aircraft since you’re limited to near the same maximum total weight. I’m merely pointing out that such a battery pack is one possible solution, one that cannot be ruled out based on public information.
Re:Tesla Semi’s Enormous Battery Might Weigh 11,000 Pounds o... by 0_____0 on Friday December 02, 2022 @04:53PM (#33837442)
The in-use 2170 batteries are apparently 250Wh/kg. With that figure and a more realistic packaging overhead of 30% I'm seeing something like 190Wh/kg, which is more in line with your observation.

From the numbers I can find, the Model S 85kWh has 7104 18650 cells - if we use 49g for mass of cell, that's 767lb of cell vs the pack weight of 1200lb~, or a very rough packaging overhead of ~36%

This is a naïve analysis but it helps assuage my ego, as I've worked on designs for 26650 based packs where we would have been quite happy to hit 30% overhead :) That being said, I realize people can, and do in fact make more mass efficient packs.