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Re:Twitter engineer: I thought I’d been hacked. It turned ou... by spoils19 on Friday December 02, 2022 @01:08PM (#33834269)
A user on HN, kamaal, posted something that many on this site agree with:

> Let's be honest this is far from what people call slavery. They are being paid multiples of six digit salaries, RSUs and work in one of the most happening tech ecosystems of the world.

> I would love to be a part of something like this. Heck most of us would love to be a part of something like.

> I kind of envy those guys working on these projects. I hope I was the one there.

Re:Twitter engineer: I thought I’d been hacked. It turned ou... by ddellacosta on Friday December 02, 2022 @01:13PM (#33834343)
I understand the point being made, but this is fundamentally naive and counter-productive for everyone who wants to be working in this industry as a software engineer. Engineers are going to get exploited: just shrugging and saying "but we get paid well enough" means stuff like this: https://hirecloud.io/hr-and-recruiting-news/the-techtopus-ho... will continue to happen over, and over, and over.

So, unfortunately, your post encourages what the ones at the top with all the capital love: getting the rest of us fight over the scraps. Because the truth is that it's all scraps to them, and that's how they want to keep it.

Re:Twitter engineer: I thought I’d been hacked. It turned ou... by tylersmith on Friday December 02, 2022 @01:47PM (#33834914)
People like the OP are not fighting for scraps, they're doing what they love and enjoying their lives while getting scraps. People that don't enjoy doing that stuff resent them because they have to compete at stuff like they don't like to do for scraps.

That's only a negative for one side.

Re:Twitter engineer: I thought I’d been hacked. It turned ou... by aks_tldr on Friday December 02, 2022 @02:53PM (#33835923)
Until people like OP wake up one day and see what they been doing in name of "love", it all comes crashing down. been there done that.
Re:Twitter engineer: I thought I’d been hacked. It turned ou... by lumenwrites on Friday December 02, 2022 @02:08PM (#33835240)
Shouldn't people be free to make up their own minds and make their own choices?

If someone likes that work environment - great, let them work very hard on interesting and meaningful projects, these are the kind of people Elon Musk seems to want to leave at twitter. People who don't like this kind of work environment are free to leave for companies more focused on work-life balance.

Re:Twitter engineer: I thought I’d been hacked. It turned ou... by ddellacosta on Friday December 02, 2022 @05:03PM (#33837568)
I may be trying to persuade, but I'm not being prescriptive. I'm just stating the logical outcome of behaving based on the thinking in the post I was responding to.
Re:Twitter engineer: I thought I’d been hacked. It turned ou... by CamperBob2 on Friday December 02, 2022 @02:11PM (#33835291)
Fighting over scraps isn't the best way to see it, IMO. If I'm busting my ass at a job, it's because I share the vision (if not the capital) of the people I'm working for, want to see that vision executed, and want to take an active part in executing it well.

If that is not the case, it doesn't matter how much I'm being paid, I'm not going to be happy ("self-actualized") for long. Likewise, whether I work 40 or 60 hours a week has no bearing on this. I imagine quite a few people joined Twitter because they believed in the company's stated mission and the vision of its founder. The mission and vision have now changed, so it's appropriate for some of those people to move on, voluntarily or otherwise. Framing it as some kind of Marxist class struggle sheds no light on the issue, and isn't helpful in the least.

Re:Twitter engineer: I thought I’d been hacked. It turned ou... by ddellacosta on Friday December 02, 2022 @05:11PM (#33837653)
> I share the vision (if not the capital) of the people I'm working for, want to see that vision executed, and want to take an active part in executing it well. If that is not the case, it doesn't matter how much I'm being paid, I'm not going to be happy ("self-actualized") for long

This can and should be a condition on top of respecting yourself enough to expect that you are paid for the time you work and have the freedom to establish a good work-life balance based on those hours. Assuming for one second that the folks running the business--if they are any good at it--think about you in anything other than economic terms at the end of the day is simply foolish.

Re:Twitter engineer: I thought I’d been hacked. It turned ou... by yamtaddle on Friday December 02, 2022 @01:22PM (#33834503)
On the other hand it'd be great if people lucky enough to be caught in a temporary storm of spying-ad-supported stupid money would use some of that leverage to improve workers' rights more broadly rather than working overtime for free.

If you're exchanging time for money, you ain't on the capital side of the struggle.

Re:Twitter engineer: I thought I’d been hacked. It turned ou... by bobleeswagger on Friday December 02, 2022 @01:11PM (#33834311)
It's kind of sad when you have the perspective. Nobody working for a tech company in an at-will agreement is a wage slave, period. People just want to be victims, though.
Re:Twitter engineer: I thought I’d been hacked. It turned ou... by biohax2015 on Friday December 02, 2022 @01:12PM (#33834324)
For real. Go work at an insurance company if you can’t take the heat.
Re:Twitter engineer: I thought I’d been hacked. It turned ou... by NaturalPhallacy on Friday December 02, 2022 @02:22PM (#33835431)
On the other hand "exempt" employees as we're legally defined, make less money per hour the more we work because we're "exempt" from overtime pay.

The fact this is even legal indicates congress sold out the working class in the '80s.

Sure you may be able to slack off a lot in some jobs, and effectively make more money per hour. But it's an absolute certainty that if you work 80 hours a week, you're not going to be paid more as an exempt employee. It's one of the nice things about being a contractor, you can actually get overtime pay. And as a result most companies will be strict about not making you work more than 40. Funny how that works.

Re:Twitter engineer: I thought I’d been hacked. It turned ou... by civopsec on Friday December 02, 2022 @03:13PM (#33836222)
Just saying that you are “lucky” without considering the fact that you make money for your employer makes you into a simp for your employer.

So you’re privileged, you say. What about your employer?