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Re:Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought by prox on Thursday December 01, 2022 @10:29AM (#33817519)
I would be massively in favour of adding a QR Code that details as much as possible (without giving away trade secrets if that is possible) where and how something is sourced and then adding how it was processed. Much like you get a track and trace with a package.
Re:Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought by david422 on Thursday December 01, 2022 @10:33AM (#33817592)
That's a pretty clever idea. I like it! There is limited package space on items, this would allow producers to document a whole lot of info and allow consumers immediate access.
Re:Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought by prox on Thursday December 01, 2022 @10:38AM (#33817674)
The idea actually comes from when I followed CJ Chivers (expert on weapons and war correspondent) A lot of his work is done by gathering spent munitions on the battlefield and then tracing it back to its source. The life of a weapon and munitions is usually well documented (and can go back decades!)
Re:Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought by candiddevmike on Thursday December 01, 2022 @10:32AM (#33817581)
Who cares about hiding trade secrets if those trade secrets are "just a pinch of mercury" or some other nefarious chemical.
Re:Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought by prox on Thursday December 01, 2022 @10:35AM (#33817623)
Just thinking ahead here for some possible pitfalls why companies would be against it.
Re:Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought by _aavaa_ on Thursday December 01, 2022 @10:44AM (#33817756)
Unfortunately I just see anything that they don’t want to disclose (because it’s harmful) to become a trade secret
Re:Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought by standardUser on Thursday December 01, 2022 @11:46AM (#33818850)
Then mandate a label that clearly states there are unknow ingredients that the manufacturer refuses to list.
Re:Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought by danuker on Thursday December 01, 2022 @12:12PM (#33819242)
On any ingredients list, that should be assumed when there is a vague ingredient like "Artificial Flavors".

Industry plainly lists potassium sorbate, sorbic acid, and sodium nitrite, which are known carcinogens.

On top of that, the packaging matters: PET is a phtalate which is an endocrine disruptor.

Re:Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought by mywittyname on Thursday December 01, 2022 @10:44AM (#33817757)
They are going to be against it anyway.
Re:Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought by ben_w on Thursday December 01, 2022 @10:48AM (#33817835)
In principal, known toxins (when at anything even close to toxic doses when used normally) should be just not allowed in consumer products in the first place.

In practice, people like their alcoholic drinks and don't understand why that by itself is enough to require the Californian proposition 65 "substances at this location are known to cause cancer" sticker.

Re:Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought by ryandrake on Thursday December 01, 2022 @11:44AM (#33818810)
The good news is that the FDA sets "acceptable levels"[1] in food, for things like animal feces, insect infestation, mold, rodent hairs and filth, maggots, and so on, beyond which enforcement is mandatory. The bad news is they are nonzero.

1: https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/04/health/insect-rodent-filth-in...

Re:Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought by carlmr on Thursday December 01, 2022 @12:50PM (#33819786)
>The bad news is they are nonzero.

Especially with mold, zero is very very difficult to attain.

Re:Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought by madaxe_again on Thursday December 01, 2022 @10:36AM (#33817639)
This exists in Europe - it’s catchily called ECHA SCIP. You can search by EAN at https://echa.europa.eu/scip-database
Re:Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought by jopsen on Thursday December 01, 2022 @11:01AM (#33818041)
Pretty cool.

But fairly, limited:

> Articles containing substances of very high concern (SVHCs) on the Candidate List at a concentration above 0.1% weight by weight (w/w)

Re:Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought by cameldrv on Thursday December 01, 2022 @10:45AM (#33817779)
EWG has something that’s a lot better than nothing: https://www.ewg.org/skindeep/

They also have an app that can scan UPC codes.

Re:Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought by cm_silva on Thursday December 01, 2022 @11:50AM (#33818912)
I knew I'd find EWG mentioned here, they're fantastic. Thank you for posting.
Re:Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought by Jemm on Thursday December 01, 2022 @10:48AM (#33817828)
I think you forget that most people don't have basic competency with even their phones. Most have no clue how to scan a QR code.
Re:Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought by mrbombastic on Thursday December 01, 2022 @10:54AM (#33817924)
People have the capacity to learn and scanning a QR code once you’ve seen it done once is pretty straightforward. during covid QR code menus replaced physical menus in NY for most restaurants. People complained (i don’t particularly like them either) then adapted.
Re:Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought by ldh0011 on Thursday December 01, 2022 @11:05AM (#33818132)
Different strokes for different folks and all that but I'm a bit of a picky eater and love being able to unambiguously mark what I don't want on my food on the ordering web apps some restaurants use now. On the other hand those places that have the QR code link to nothing but a PDF menu are just annoying.
Re:Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought by WithinReason on Thursday December 01, 2022 @11:00AM (#33818029)
Those people wouldn't be able to interpret the data anyway. You forget that most people don't have basic competency in science, and basing decisions on that data would be extremely difficult to start with.
Re:Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought by usefulcat on Thursday December 01, 2022 @10:52AM (#33817885)
It's still an improvement over the status quo.
Re:Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought by biomcgary on Thursday December 01, 2022 @11:48AM (#33818881)
Your proposed requirement would have a nice side benefit of making supply chains much easier to trace for other purposes (e.g., why are some shelves bare in my grocery store).

I'd want a carve out for home "manufacturers" that sell less than the US median wage per year in product. They should be able to just display the QR codes cut out from the packages of their ingredients rather than creating their own QR code infrastructure.

Re:Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought by prox on Thursday December 01, 2022 @01:30PM (#33820435)
Indeed, supply chains, or a webcam to the free range chicken eggs perhaps. Lots of options to make things a bit more transparent.
Re:Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought by jeremiem on Thursday December 01, 2022 @01:15PM (#33820199)
Close, https://world.openfoodfacts.org/ and https://world.openbeautyfacts.org/, by the same association. Crowd-sourced databases that you can query scanning the barcode using their app.

The quality and availability of the information you can find varies greatly, but it's very easy to contribute. You won't find much that is not already written on the label though.