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Re:Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo by satvikpendem on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:35PM (#33811070)
Why do you assume Apple doesn't also track every website and email you read (especially if you use the default Apple-made apps)? After all, they make the OS, they can track whatever they want.
Re:Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo by majormajor on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:42PM (#33811136)
Nobody's reported seeing that sort of network traffic sent off of iOS devices. It's trivially easy to spot it, and it's well documented, going to Google and others across the web, though.
Re:Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo by mortehu on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:16PM (#33811425)
On my iPhone, Safari browser history synchronization to iCloud was enabled by default.
Re:Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo by musicale on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:32PM (#33812003)
According to Apple, Safari history and bookmarks are end-to-end encrypted and Apple cannot read them:

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303

Is there any evidence that Apple is lying, and is actually decrypting them and using them for advertising purposes, rather than for the "coherence" feature?

I don't actually want browsing sessions to be unified across devices, so I do wish that it was turned off by default. (Though being able to close tabs remotely is a sort of interesting capability.) However, it doesn't seem to be actual spyware used for advertising or tracking purposes.

Re:Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo by pyuser583 on Thursday December 01, 2022 @12:11AM (#33812596)
That’s not what your link says. The link says browsing history is end-to-end encrypted, but Bookmarks are not.
Re:Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo by acomjean on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @11:55PM (#33812504)
Safari on iOS is auto-completing stuff as you type. The option to search with google comes up if you get far enough.

And it’s not going to google first. If you type an address the “link” at the top is to Apple Maps. They seem to do a similar thing with place names. I’m not sure but one can be fairly certain they’re using the phones location to help….

Re:Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo by heavyset_go on Thursday December 01, 2022 @04:09AM (#33814019)
You will have no idea what is being carried via encrypted channels to Apple's opaque backend servers.
Re:Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo by manigandham on Thursday December 01, 2022 @06:16AM (#33814878)
> " It's trivially easy to spot"

Is it? How exactly are encrypted payloads to a secure, opaque and generic endpoint easy to distinguish?

Re:Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo by majormajor on Thursday December 01, 2022 @12:54PM (#33819878)
It's trivially easy to spot it going to Google/FB/whoever if you visit a page with a GA or FB or whatever pixel. That's part of the second sentence, not the first.

For spotting it going to Apple you'd have to do more fancy correlation over time and such, but you can find people out there who are researching this stuff... so that's who I'm waiting for to hear more from.

Re:Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo by chrononaut on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @11:05PM (#33812189)
Burden of proof fallacy