Re:Azure has run out of compute. Anyone else affected?
by cheese123 on Friday November 25, 2022 @11:34AM
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GDPR might be a problem here. But this brings us to an important point: this is not your infrastructure, but someone elses.
Re:Azure has run out of compute. Anyone else affected?
by soco on Friday November 25, 2022 @11:39AM
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There are quite a few European regions, but we don't know how the others stand with their computing limits...
Re:Azure has run out of compute. Anyone else affected?
by xwowsersx on Friday November 25, 2022 @11:36AM
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Good point, I didn't think about that.
Re:Azure has run out of compute. Anyone else affected?
by masom on Friday November 25, 2022 @12:28PM
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GDPR isn't really related to the infrastructure, and isn't a problem if you built your product knowing you'll need to conform. Shopify is GDPR compliant, for all merchants, and runs on Google Cloud in multiple regions.
Re:Azure has run out of compute. Anyone else affected?
by pm90 on Friday November 25, 2022 @12:38PM
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Genuine question: is knowledge on how to do this well known? Without that accessibility, I'm picturing folks operating in EU being unwilling to take the risk of not being compliant and just hosting everything in a single region.
Re:Azure has run out of compute. Anyone else affected?
by nr2x on Friday November 25, 2022 @01:13PM
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They’re wrong.
Re:Azure has run out of compute. Anyone else affected?
by unionpivo on Friday November 25, 2022 @01:30PM
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GDPR is not some boogieman, it can be pain to do on existing products that were build pre GDPR, but if you are starting new project, being GDPR compliant is pretty straight forward and not hard/time consuming, unless you are explicitly trying to do something shady*
*privacy invasive that GDPR is explicitly set up to make harder, so duh
Re:Azure has run out of compute. Anyone else affected?
by revicon on Friday November 25, 2022 @12:37PM
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There are specific requirements in Germany that require user data to not leave the country. I believe that was what OP was referring to.
Re:Azure has run out of compute. Anyone else affected?
by nr2x on Friday November 25, 2022 @01:12PM
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Privacy shield very much matters where your servers are. EU cracking down hard on extra territorial transfers in the past year with more to come.
Also, lots of companies assert GDPR compliance via magical thinking. They most often are wholly wrong. Shopify can say whatever they want, but there’s no certification body.
Source: I’m the person who evaluates and builds compliance systems for a range of services you almost definitely use.
Re:Azure has run out of compute. Anyone else affected?
by logisticpeach on Friday November 25, 2022 @12:41PM
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I'd add to this by asking: how much more PMF can you get when you have a two week horizon of new customers before you literally run out of compute resource in a major cloud provider data centre?
Sounds like customers are coming in thick and fast.
If this is the dynamic and the company can't spare a few weeks to solve it, something has gone seriously wrong in a very interesting way.
Re:Azure has run out of compute. Anyone else affected?
by arcturus17 on Friday November 25, 2022 @01:04PM
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Also, n8n arguably has product-market fit so the advice was impertinent to start with…
I'm totally on board with the idea of being scrappy and taking shortcuts in order to get to PMF as soon as possible. However, it seems the proof is in the pudding here. If you can't service customers due to lack of compute resources, you can't get to PMF.
Also, yes there are certain infrastructure and network topologies that would absolutely be overkill for a young startup. I don't think multi-region is one of those things. I don't have experience with Azure directly, but on every other cloud providers, going multi-region is not something that requires huge amounts of time or resources. You just need to be mindful of it from the outset. And if you decide not to be, then at least be intentional and conscious about the risk and have a plan in place for what happens when you get bit by deciding not to go multi-region.