Re:Why HTML Is a Strategic Dead End for Business Transaction...
by m_mueller on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @04:33AM
(#33717011)
> I want the Internet to be like the Erlang virtual machine. Each server is an independent actor that holds state, can send and receive messages, but they are not very trusted.
you sound quite a bit like Alan Kay there (and that's not a bad thing IMO).
Re:Why HTML Is a Strategic Dead End for Business Transaction...
by sph on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @08:08AM
(#33718691)
I know, my extended idea is borne out of Alan Kay and his vision. It is very nebulous at this stage to expand further, but I do strongly agree with him now that "the computer revolution hasn't happened yet."
Re:Why HTML Is a Strategic Dead End for Business Transaction...
by wruza on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @05:07AM
(#33717250)
Are you trusted? The reason g-search and others don’t have an API is not a technical one. They won’t let you neither JSON nor HTML without captcha module injected into your browser because this is the way they earn money.
Re:Why HTML Is a Strategic Dead End for Business Transaction...
by sph on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @08:13AM
(#33718724)
So? That can still be modelled in a RPC manner.
Instead of sending a "query <string>" command, I have to do:
-> get-captcha
<- returns a captcha object
-> solve-captcha <id> <solution>
<- returns a token string
-> query <token> <string>
<- returns a list of results
Very simplified. If HTTP is the transport, the current Authentication header is very good at encapsulating these details without having to repeat them every command.Point is, HTTP is still too low level and we're paying people $150k a year to write glue code and reimplement API clients until they quit and do the same thing at another company.
Re:Why HTML Is a Strategic Dead End for Business Transaction...
by Linosaurus on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @05:14PM
(#33725201)
Could work for the traditional image check, but not at all for the user behavior analysis magic they do. Which seems to take over.
Re:Why HTML Is a Strategic Dead End for Business Transaction...
by samsquire on Thursday November 24, 2022 @02:58AM
(#33728823)
I agree with you.
The problems that computers are trying to solve are partly the expression problem.
Given this state, do this calculation.
Object orientation for me means creating relationships between arbitrary groups of objects and sending messages between objects to do things.
A concept that has been buzzing around my head a lot lately is, what if we could model objects/actors? So that I do not only go to google.com to display some HTML, but we have a standardised RPC language I can tell it to "search this query" and it returns a structured object? The same RPC I can use to talk to my Hue lamp and tell it "turn red."
In fact, our current HTML model can nicely map to a "render a thing to HTML" method call.
We spend too much time building complex systems by either scraping HTML, or gluing together incompatible APIs from vendors.
I want the Internet to be like the Erlang virtual machine. Each server is an independent actor that holds state, can send and receive messages, but they are not very trusted.