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Re:Why Twitter didn’t go down: From a real Twitter SRE by recuter on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @07:59AM (#33705260)
Wished. Hoped. No longer capable of rational thought when anything that is perceived as a threat to their political world view or in-group is involved.

There is no active independent thought around this subject to be found. Only vitriol and bile.

It is shocking to see adults behave in this manner. I am not easily flustered but to me it as akin to witnessing a fat child throwing an epic tantrum laying flat on a mall floor - first time I encountered this was in the US, I had to go for a long walk after laughing my ass off, that country is experiencing a very unique cultural moment - because mommy didn't buy them an xbox.

Straight up Cartmenesque.

The job cuts are clearly justified because of the extremely toxic "work culture" / cult. The focus is quite clearly and exclusively on anything except actual technical work.

Nuking it from orbit by eventually replacing every single person who worked there and the entire tech stack is the only way to salvage it. Perhaps the process unfolded way too quickly, who knows, impossible to tell from the outside, but site is still up and working.

Re:Why Twitter didn’t go down: From a real Twitter SRE by fumar on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @09:12AM (#33705949)
No independent thought>

Are you not victim to this as well? Who is to say commenters or the media are an accurate representation of the majority?

Re:Why Twitter didn’t go down: From a real Twitter SRE by donkeyd on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @09:29AM (#33706151)
> The job cuts are clearly justified because of the extremely toxic "work culture"

I'm very curious in what way the stuff Elon is doing is not creating toxic work culture? >Minimum< 40 hour work week. 100% office work. Working into the night. Being fired for pushing back.

I'm not denying there may have been toxic work culture before, but I don't see how replacing it with another form of toxic work culture is to be celebrated.

Also, writing this:

> There is no active independent thought around this subject to be found. Only vitriol and bile.

And then spewing a bunch of vitriol and bile really distracts from any point you were trying to make:

> akin to witnessing a fat child throwing an epic tantrum laying flat on a mall floor

> Straight up Cartmenesque.

> clearly justified because of the extremely toxic "work culture" / cult

> because mommy didn't buy them an xbox

Re:Why Twitter didn’t go down: From a real Twitter SRE by recuter on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @09:46AM (#33706344)
Up until recently 100% office work was the norm. It still is for most people. Many employers are quite adamant about it, not just Elon.

40 hours per week is also known as the standard work week. A bog standard j-o-b. Those are not reasonable examples of any sort of toxicity.

If these painfully regular employment terms are not competitive with other offers nobody is forced to pick twitter as their employer.

> but I don't see how replacing it with another form of toxic work culture is to be celebrated.

Walk on by. Find a company more suited to your temperament that will give you the pay and perks you think you deserve.

> And then spewing a bunch of vitriol and bile really distracts from any point you were trying to make

> because mommy didn't buy them an xbox

I assure you the child was quite literally stating xbox as the reason for his tantrum. Loudly. Whilst withering on the floor. I'm simply giving an eye witness account.

Re:Why Twitter didn’t go down: From a real Twitter SRE by rndgermandude on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @10:17AM (#33706683)
I am not trying to comment on anything else here, but this:

>>Minimum< 40 hour work week. 100% office work.

Those are the norm for most fulltime people in most jobs. You know that, right? Right?

Re:Why Twitter didn’t go down: From a real Twitter SRE by Salgat on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @10:39AM (#33706910)
Toxic to me is joining a company under certain terms of employment only for some billionaire to come in and drastically change those working conditions for the worse. I frankly don't give a shit if others have it worse, there's always others that have it worse which is why I didn't take a job at somewhere worse.
Re:Why Twitter didn’t go down: From a real Twitter SRE by recuter on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @10:53AM (#33707069)
Thank you for a moment of unintended candor at least.

To this I say: Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die.

Call it "toxic" if you wish, I find this whole thing hilarious. Especially this reply.

Re:Why Twitter didn’t go down: From a real Twitter SRE by chasd00 on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @10:56AM (#33707110)
yeah i think that's a perfectly reasonable view to have. If the job changes to something other than what you signed up for and you're unhappy then I feel like you have an obligation to yourself to find something else.
Re:Why Twitter didn’t go down: From a real Twitter SRE by keneda7 on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @11:08AM (#33707265)
You are basically describing every single takeover. When a company changes ownership it is unusual if there isn't a drastic shake up of things including working conditions. I don't understand why this one is a such a big deal other than the employees are throwing a temper tantrum. This type of thing is happening all the time all across the country yet people are discussing it like this is some new huge thing.

If as an employee you do not like the shake up, you always have the right to seek work other places. If you are indispensable (lottery/bus test) you may have some negotiating power but most of the time when up against a big corporation you are just SOL.

Re:Why Twitter didn’t go down: From a real Twitter SRE by Salgat on Sunday November 27, 2022 @01:35PM (#33765290)
Every takeover? That's funny because when my employer was bought by a bigger company they increased benefits to ensure that they wouldn't lose their best employees.
Re:Why Twitter didn’t go down: From a real Twitter SRE by Workaccount2 on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @10:40AM (#33706922)
The 20-hour-full-time-from-home-six-figure tech job wasn't a new paradigm or a shift in c-suite work/life balance philosophy. It was 0% interest rates coupled with asset inflation leading to tech companies having more cash than they could possibly figure out how to spend. A transient financial anomaly in a whirlwind of larger economic conditions.

Now that the fed has been (rightfully)pulling the rug, people shouldn't be surprised if tech work goes back to the 60/70 hour grinds it was infamous for.

Re:Why Twitter didn’t go down: From a real Twitter SRE by flir on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @10:05AM (#33706558)
Weird to hear the work culture that involves being nice to people being called the toxic one.
Re:Why Twitter didn’t go down: From a real Twitter SRE by recuter on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @10:38AM (#33706899)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_positivity

Breathtaking niceness going on from lovely stable people:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/meet-the-projectio...

  The projections were the work of Alan Marling, a Bay Area activist who declined to give his age or comment on his profession. He stood nearby — donning a Captain America face mask and a Sunrise Movement beanie — as passersby, many of whom were tech workers getting off work from nearby offices, stopped to take videos and photos.
https://www.sunrisemovement.org

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Bankman-Fried

Re:Why Twitter didn’t go down: From a real Twitter SRE by flir on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @11:32AM (#33707594)
That "toxic positivity" link is interesting. Have you got any evidence that that is what it was like within Twitter?

Seems to me the worst anyone's accused their corporate culture of is being heavy on pros and light on cons.