so do you know any of the working class?

every family that dragged their feet on vaccines are feeling really damn good about it now as the whispers of blood clots, young athletes dropping dead, cancer rates etc go around...

and are these concerns valid? time will tell

These people don't need p-values, they share their suspicions and worries amongst each other, as real communities tend to do.

Check in with any working class whites, immigrants, and black folk you know (the ones who aren't playing middle class status games)

Russell Brand is right on the pulse of sentiments I hear from actual working people way too old to know who he is. He's giving that voice a fast paced funny vibe to grab the new young/based audience.

p.s. fishers essay hit a nerve w/everyone who felt drawn to those scenes by temperament but too savvy about human nature to get sucked into the vortex, or too actually-working-class to afford time in activist circles. The rebuttals are insipid, just noise eager to get second hand clicks.

Dying by his own hand was weak af, compromised the aftertaste of his writing, tho he always had that 'too old to be new too new to be classic' self-pity vibe of the aging professor...

(It bothers me aesthetically the same way seeing my beautiful kate spade handbags does, but I digress)

Between this essay and your counter, I'd say the essay has aged a lot beter. Intersectionality is still used primarily, in practice, to promote the interests of higher classes against lower ones. Brand was, as it turned out, dragged down by personal attacks rather than any real refutation of his politics, and identity politics still serves primarily as a stick for the powerful to beat the weak with. "Queer approaches to identities" as described in your link sound like an excellent thing, but one that bears no relation to the approaches to identities that the self-proclaimed spokespeople for the queer community actually employ. And for what it's worth, historical witch hunts actually victimised men more than women.

> Intersectionality is still used primarily, in practice, to promote the interests of higher classes against lower ones.

I don't follow what this means? How does one 'use' intersectionality to promote interests? I thought intersectionality was the idea that intersections of identities have different experiences than the components.

Ex: Black women have experiences that are unique to that intersection of identity, which aren't experienced by people who are only one of women or Black.

> I don't follow what this means? How does one 'use' intersectionality to promote interests?

The same way as any other idea/concept/framework; one finds arguments which it supports that promotes the interest one wants to promote. What's so strange about that?

I guess I didn't think 'use' meant 'use facts to make arguments to advance your interests'?

Like, I wouldn't say that I 'use' 'asymptotic complexity' to promote engineering priorities over product management. I read a lot of nefariousness in that phrasing, but I guess that's not what was meant.

I've certainly seen cases where people would "use asymptotic complexity" to, say, argue for a system that was better for their CV than one that was appropriate to the amount of data actually being processed. I did mean to at least suggest a certain amount of nefariousness; I think a lot of those who adopt intersectionality as a way of framing/approaching issues do so not solely out of sincere truth-seeking but because (consciously or otherwise) it makes it easier to reach conclusions that suit the upper classes and, perhaps even more importantly, makes it easier to avoid reaching conclusions that don't suit the upper classes.

> Nine years later, Mark Fisher is in the grave

That is a rather smug way of putting it. Fisher’s suicide was a tragic event caused by lifelong depression. The fact that he killed himself doesn’t make the essay age better or worse. Bringing it up as some kind of “own” against him is pretty disgusting.

I'd say, the "desire to excommunicate and condemn" is still prevalent – and this is, nota bene, different from (healthy) deconstructivism.