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Re:Is Wine Fake? by coldtea on Monday November 21, 2022 @06:44PM (#33699817)
>One of the points he made was that there are absolutely wines which are objectively better and worse and that experts can reliably tell them apart. He had met enough experts who could identify a vineyard and vintage blind to know there was something to it.

Identifying a specific wine is easy, even non experts can learn to do it.

What experts have shown to fail is telling good wines from bad wines, cheapo wines from expensive wines, and so on, in blind tests.

There they are not asked to identify a label and vintage they already known and are familiar with (because they drank it before), but to detect quality.

Re:Is Wine Fake? by dragonwriter on Monday November 21, 2022 @06:47PM (#33699846)
> There they are not asked to identify a label and vintage they already known and are familiar with (because they drank it before), but to detect quality.

No, they are asked to detect price.

Re:Is Wine Fake? by coldtea on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @03:20AM (#33703338)
Nope, quality. Even the very basic quality of which is which:

(...) some wines would be presented to the panel three times, poured from the same bottle each time. The results would be compiled and analysed to see whether wine testing really is scientific. The first experiment took place in 2005. The last was in Sacramento earlier this month. Hodgson's findings have stunned the wine industry. Over the years he has shown again and again that even trained, professional palates are terrible at judging wine. "The results are disturbing," says Hodgson from the Fieldbrook Winery in Humboldt County, described by its owner as a rural paradise. "Only about 10% of judges are consistent and those judges who were consistent one year were ordinary the next year.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-wine-econ...

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-wine-econ...

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-wine-econ...

Heck, they can't even distinguish wine with artificial coloring from actual red wine:

http://www.daysyn.com/Morrot.pdf