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Re:Computer Latency: 1977-2017 by haberman on Sunday November 20, 2022 @04:28PM (#33685544)
When I saw this page a few years back I had an idea for a project. I want to create the lowest-latency typing terminal I possibly can, using an FPGA and an LED array. My initial results suggest that I can drive a 64x32 pixel LED array at 4.88kHz, for a roughly 0.2ms latency.

For the next step I want to make it capable of injecting artificial latency, and then do A/B testing to determine (1) the smallest amount of latency I can reliably perceive, and (2) the smallest amount of latency that actually bothers me.

This idea was also inspired by this work from Microsoft Research, where they do a similar experiment with touch screens: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOvQCPLkPt4

Re:Computer Latency: 1977-2017 by klysm on Sunday November 20, 2022 @08:11PM (#33687482)
Sounds like a fun project to do, I wonder if you could even implement it in full discrete logic and skip the FPGA
Re:Computer Latency: 1977-2017 by DaiPlusPlus on Sunday November 20, 2022 @08:58PM (#33687765)
Is there an appreciable practical lower-bound in latency to that? I’ve never understood how-and-why electronic signals can propagate down a wire so gosh-darn quickly: the speed of sound is what I’d have intuitively expected, not 50-99% the speed of light ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_electricity )
Re:Computer Latency: 1977-2017 by skovati on Sunday November 20, 2022 @09:44PM (#33688075)
Essentially, energy is carried throughout a circuit by the electric field created by a voltage differential, not by electrons pushing other electrons like how sound is transmitted through a medium. So signals propagate on the same order of magnitude as the speed of light. I think this is a relatively intuitive explanation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7tQJ42nGno
Re:Computer Latency: 1977-2017 by layer8 on Sunday November 20, 2022 @10:13PM (#33688276)
I like the idea, but note that (1) and (2) can depend on what you’re used to. The fact that one doesn’t notice a handicap doesn’t mean that there isn’t room for improvement, given some conditioning.
Re:Computer Latency: 1977-2017 by kaba0 on Monday November 21, 2022 @04:48AM (#33690750)
I believe there are specific methods to negate these effects (something like going in a specific order with the values)
Re:Computer Latency: 1977-2017 by tcbawo on Sunday November 20, 2022 @11:57PM (#33688954)
If would probably be interesting to randomize the latency for certain intervals with some kind of feedback mechanism to provide a blind study.
Re:Computer Latency: 1977-2017 by wincy on Monday November 21, 2022 @01:50AM (#33689620)
I remember when I got the iPhone X I was so used to higher latency that it felt like the iPhone was typing before I was. It was a very strange sensation until I got used to how quick it was.
Re:Computer Latency: 1977-2017 by lodi on Monday November 21, 2022 @11:43AM (#33694603)
If you ever end up doing this project, I find that sometimes it's hard to quantify if something is better when going in the normal-to-better direction, but it's always much easier to tell when something is worse when going in the normal-to-worse direction. So spend a few days or weeks getting totally acclimated to fast response times and then test if you can notice the difference with slow response times.