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Re:I don't want to go back to social media by rglullis on Sunday November 20, 2022 @10:20AM (#33681553)

> cheap small EVs if they could buy them

Cheap, Small, Large Production Volume. Pick two.

Companies can not sell you something they can not make.

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Re:I don't want to go back to social media by bbarnett on Sunday November 20, 2022 @10:26AM (#33681619)

Ah, the infamous "pick two from three", with the choices thrown together to win a point.

But... there are plenty of cheap, small, large production ICE cars. And we've been told that EVs are less complicated, with the president of Ford, last week, claiming they take 1/2 the labour to build.

There is no reason this three cannot exist together. None.

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Re:I don't want to go back to social media by EvanAnderson on Sunday November 20, 2022 @10:53AM (#33681881)

I assume there isn’t enough gross margin on small cheap cars and consumers have shown they’ll just buy the larger, more margin-filled alternatives.

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Re:I don't want to go back to social media by rglullis on Sunday November 20, 2022 @11:00AM (#33681969)

> there are plenty of cheap, small, large production ICE cars

If there are, then why are you complaining that they "won't sell them to you"?

> There is no reason this three cannot exist together. None.

Mineral resources to make the batteries? Why do you think that Tesla has a waiting period of months.

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Re:I don't want to go back to social media by bbarnett on Sunday November 20, 2022 @12:09PM (#33682828)

If there are, then why are you complaining that they "won't sell them to you"?

I complained about no such thing.

Mineral resources to make the batteries? Why do you think that Tesla has a waiting period of months.

Certainly not for this reason. Telsa has always been months, even years behind on deliveries.

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Re:I don't want to go back to social media by SyzygistSix on Sunday November 20, 2022 @12:47PM (#33683227)

I agree but they are two very different products despite both being cars. And expecting a new company to scale to the size needed to produce cheap vehicles en masse in an economically sustainable way is unrealistic and unfair as a criticism. Even the largest car companies are finding it difficult.

The three will exist together, like the Corolla, Camry etc. But it will take a while to scale up to that. People are expecting Rome to be built in a day and whining because it isn't.

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Re:I don't want to go back to social media by carapace on Sunday November 20, 2022 @11:06AM (#33682019)

Those three things go together, there are no trade offs. "And therefore your answer is a charade." Smaller is cheaper is easier to produce in large volumes, yeah?

You can buy small, cheap, mass-produced EVs in most of the rest of the world today, just not in North America.

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