Re:Ask HN: What is the thing you've build you regret the most?
by taneq on Sunday November 20, 2022 @12:20AM
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They do have a say. Their labour is being purchased from them, not appropriated. They can say no (individually or together) and ultimately they can walk away.
As you say, collective bargaining is usually going to be more effective than individual.
Re:Ask HN: What is the thing you've build you regret the most?
by MikePlacid on Sunday November 20, 2022 @06:06AM
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> As you say, collective bargaining is usually going to be more effective than individual.
It may be more effective in terms of salary and working conditions (though I doubt that in software engineering I would have been able to get better pay through collective).
But in terms of ethics?
Individually, it’s almost impossible to make me support surveillance and censorship. But a big collective is much more vulnerable to manipulation. Comes 9/11 and you’ll get “collective” support for Patriot act, comes 6/1 and you’ll get “collective” support for censorship.
Why shouldn't workers in a factory have a say over how their labour is used by those who appropriate it?
Baffled by how obvious solutions appear to have fallen off the radar.