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Re:271 years before Pantone, every color imaginable in an 80... by pessimizer on Saturday November 19, 2022 @07:45PM (#33676812)
You don't need a license to use any color in Photoshop. You need a license for a collection of stand-in mappings for spot colors, the vast majority of which can't be convincingly represented on a monitor.

You can ignore Pantone entirely, put in whatever color you want, and nobody will know or complain. You can even use any color you want in Photoshop, then make a plate out of it for the press, and tell people the Pantone color you want that plate to be printed with.

But I sense a lot of the self-righteousness about the topic is coming from people who think that Pantone isn't doing anything, that RGB or CMYK can represent every color and Pantone is just selling them back to you. This is not true. Is Photoshop digging into users pockets again with another subscription plan? Yes.

Re:271 years before Pantone, every color imaginable in an 80... by cmurf on Saturday November 19, 2022 @08:01PM (#33676930)
Pantone sells mixed inks in a bucket. Printing presses tend to only have cyan, magenta, yellow, black ink in them. The density of those inks varies naturally as a printing press runs. That variation isn't kind to business identity colors. It's not kind to photos either but human vision helps adapt to these variations, with some limits. Specific colored ink mixed in a bucket is much more stable on press, minimal variation.

There are other spot color systems such as Toyo, and Focoltone. But at least in the U.S. Pantone is the most common system.

Re:271 years before Pantone, every color imaginable in an 80... by pessimizer on Saturday November 19, 2022 @08:10PM (#33676986)
> Printing presses tend to only have cyan, magenta, yellow, black ink in them.

This isn't right. Printing presses don't come with inks, you mix inks and load them onto the press. Printers tend to only have CMYK, and that's also not true for many high end printers, because CMYK is a very restrictive gamut. Hell, the reason for the K is because CMY can't do a good black.

Re:271 years before Pantone, every color imaginable in an 80... by josephcsible on Saturday November 19, 2022 @09:13PM (#33677388)
There is a useful service Pantone is providing: when I want a physical thing to be a certain color, I can buy that color ink from them to get it consistently. But once I've applied the ink to the thing in question, it's mine like that forever. Imagine that Pantone demanded all of their customers to pay them protection money every month, or they'd send their goons to spray-paint black over everything you ever used their inks on. That'd obviously be completely unacceptable in the physical world, so why is it acceptable for them to do it to your .psd files?
Re:271 years before Pantone, every color imaginable in an 80... by Terretta on Saturday November 19, 2022 @10:19PM (#33677837)
I took two print shops digital, one before and one after Mac/Aldus/Adobe etc., so I'm getting enjoying this thread.

Nearly wrote "Maybe no license fees to map 271 year old color names in Adobe PSD files?" but thought that might be too obscure for HN. Apparently not. :-)

Good education below. To thread's point, in both cases (the watercolors, and Pantone), the work is in determining repeatable formulations, and building/maintaining a reference. It's inane, though, given the rest of ecosystem is licensed, to suddenly charge for the map in a PSD to keep working or go to black.