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Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f... by tptacek on Friday November 18, 2022 @11:28PM (#33666933)
I don't know how you can make this argument persuasive without either writing fanfic or veering into misogyny. By all indications, the kid we're talking about is going to have a privileged childhood. The mom thing will be weird, but much less weird that a kid whose mom is convicted (even for a much shorter sentence) in the middle of their childhood. When you find yourself writing the words "she has the resources to freeze eggs and do surrogate birth at 50", you know you've gone way off the rails.

I barely remember anything about being a 4th grader, for what it's worth. Their mom will very much be in their life.

Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f... by kkielhofner on Friday November 18, 2022 @11:53PM (#33667063)
I do. I'm passionate about this because I grew up in somewhat similar circumstances (minus the criminality) - down to age. Upper middle class and not wanting for anything material but completely absent parents and Au Pairs caring for me 24/7 and rotating in and out yearly until I was 10 (by chance the same timeline here).

It took years of psychologists telling me countless times that this childhood experience was very damaging for me and to finally acknowledge the effects continue into my life 38 years later. Having children immediately before going to prison for 11 years is emotional neglect at minimum - those were the words used to describe my childhood. I am "fine" but I can't help but think I'd be better off emotionally if I actually knew my parents growing up. You might not remember anything about being a fourth grader but if you can't tell by now I certainly do. When your childhood is spent with other kids having parents and you don't you remember.

I don't appreciate being told I'm "off the rails" or misogynistic. This isn't fan fiction - it was my life. I can't believe I have to say this but if Sunny pulled this stunt I'd be going just as hard at him.

Again, I've always respected you and still do but respectfully - you have no idea what you're talking about on this one.

Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f... by tptacek on Saturday November 19, 2022 @02:09AM (#33667811)
You are fully off the rails. You're writing fanfiction about these kids being neglected. There's no evidence to suggest they will be.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f... by kkielhofner on Saturday November 19, 2022 @02:28AM (#33667928)
You clearly don’t care but I’m shocked and disappointed you’re doubling down on this. In all of my years of being on the internet this is the strangest hill to die on I’ve ever encountered. Not acknowledging any of the content and repeating the personal attack is another interesting touch.

Neglect (verb):

Fail to care for properly.

Neglect (noun):

The state or fact of being uncared for.

No one in prison is participating in the care of their children. She is and will be neglecting them.

Is the dictionary fanfiction too?

Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f... by erosenbe0 on Saturday November 19, 2022 @03:58AM (#33668411)
I feel for you. What do you think of Elon Musk and his many baby mamas? Why isn't the mainstream media critical?
Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f... by Sakos on Saturday November 19, 2022 @05:32AM (#33668931)
I've had a vaguely similar upbringing; upper middle-class, hired carers, absent parents. I agree with you completely. I wasn't aware this wasn't healthy or normal until somebody pointed it out in my late 20s. It was traumatizing in its own way.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f... by lordfrito on Saturday November 19, 2022 @08:28AM (#33669847)
This. I grew up without a mother, and it casts a dark shadow that follows you your whole life, in ways I didn't even begin to understand until in my 30s. The damaging mental effects take a lot of work just to manage. It's tiring.

Check your "I have a mother" privilege. /s

Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f... by 10hr on Saturday November 19, 2022 @01:41AM (#33667650)
You don't need to remember it for the events to be significant. I'm pretty sure kids have psychological/development needs as young as 4.

The kids will have $, but there's way more to being raised than your wealth resources. Is there a mass ignorance of this on HN? Yay for having more potential (affluent) sociopaths released on the world I guess?

It's gross to me.

Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f... by kkielhofner on Saturday November 19, 2022 @03:09PM (#33674108)
The attitude on this here is pretty astounding to me. Do any of these people have children or know any? I'd wager to guess that most of the "these kids will be fine" responses are coming from people that don't - or if they do have kids, um, yikes. Thinking that the conditions of the first 10 years of someone's life doesn't have any impact on them is utterly bizarre. Her second child will likely be born in prison. Of course no one remembers their birth but I'd venture to guess overall that the outcomes of someone being born in prison are likely less positive than someone not. These kids don't have a great start on life.

+1 for your other point here - great, so now we have the next crop of wealthy and potentially powerful people who will likely have some issues because of these conditions. Just what the world needs more of.