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Re:Can a universal basic income help address homelessness? by savanaly on Friday November 18, 2022 @08:34AM (#33654374)
It seems clear to me that there are folks that don't have mental health problems but rather very different preferences. Some folks you just can't tell not to keep moving around, and they also dislike working, at least in the types of work available, and would rather beg and scavenge. I'm not sure that scenario falls under any of the three categories, and not sure how to help it either. I think the line is also quite blurry between folks like this and those on hard times and with mental health problems, but there are folks on the other side who we shouldn't forget about or force into a system they don't want to be in.
Re:Can a universal basic income help address homelessness? by themitigating on Friday November 18, 2022 @08:40AM (#33654447)
This is the most eloquent summary of "bums are lazy".

I propose it's highly unlikely that a person who is living on streets is doing so simply because they are lazy.

Imagine freezing in the winter or sweating in the summer. How about worrying about finding food or how to be safe from unstable people, maybe even well off people who attack/kill the homeless. Your claim is that this is a choice out of a laziness and not a mental disorder or an inability to get a job outside of their control.

That's insane

Re:Can a universal basic income help address homelessness? by savanaly on Sunday November 20, 2022 @12:03PM (#33682762)
I never claimed any of that stuff you said I did. Are you continuing some other conversation you had elsewhere where the person said something more extreme than what I did without realizing it?
Re:Can a universal basic income help address homelessness? by elil17 on Friday November 18, 2022 @08:45AM (#33654538)
Four communities in the US have ended chronic homelessness: https://www.usich.gov/communities-that-have-ended-homelessne...

This means that, if someone does become homeless in one of those communities, it is brief and one-time. The communities were able to achieve this by providing adequate shelters and housing assistance both before and after people lose their homes. They also used person-by-person outreach to make sure they found everyone who was homeless and got them housing.

To me, it seems like that doesn't line up with the idea that some people are predisposed to chronic homelessness/resistant to getting housing.

Re:Can a universal basic income help address homelessness? by scarmig on Friday November 18, 2022 @08:48AM (#33654591)
Very different preferences can be mental health problems, in the sense that their mental state isn't compatible with a healthy society. Even if someone "really" prefers blocking sidewalks with all their worldly possessions and shitting on the streets, that's a problem.