Re:How Safe Is Ayahuasca? Large-Scale Study Explores – Techn...
by inquirer39243 on Thursday November 17, 2022 @11:03PM
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I'm really sorry you experienced such a terrible experience. I know I can't imagine what it must have been like. I hope you're doing better now.
I really, really wish I could recommend psychedelics, but I can't right now.
I've had at least 6 trips with tested lsd, I've had challenging moments in trips - but never bad trips outright. I truly think you learn the most during these challenging moments. But like you said, this is different from a bad trip. I know they cannot compare.
AFAIK a bad trip is effectively a panic attack, which will fall into a feedback loop, and even though I haven't personally had a bad trip, from my experience I'm very very certain you can obtain legitimate PTSD from one.
I always prepared extensively before a trip. Playlists, activities. Importantly I had an set amount of a long acting Benzodiazepine. In the case of a bad trip I could abort it, or at least some of it. However I cannot recommend this unsupervised. Everyone has different reactions, and I suspect I've been lucky. I do not even know for sure that the amount of Benzodiazepine I had would have been enough.
I do think they offer an experience that can't be replicated - at least in the way I used it. But I cannot currently recommend it. It's too unpredictable. If you are being guided by a psychologist, with a psychiatrist on standby to properly administer medication in the case you need to abort the trip, then maybe, maybe it's safer. I don't really know yet.
I look forward to the time that we have a better quality studies, and a better understanding of them in general.
If anyone does decide to do them, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE practice risk management. Test your stuff with at least two reagents, have plans in place, preferably trip sitters.
tl;dr - bad trips absolutely are a thing. "difficult moments" are also a thing - and I agree they are learning moments, but they are not the same. They are not even comparable. We cannot pretend bad trips are not a very, very real risk.
I really, really wish I could recommend psychedelics, but I can't right now.
I've had at least 6 trips with tested lsd, I've had challenging moments in trips - but never bad trips outright. I truly think you learn the most during these challenging moments. But like you said, this is different from a bad trip. I know they cannot compare.
AFAIK a bad trip is effectively a panic attack, which will fall into a feedback loop, and even though I haven't personally had a bad trip, from my experience I'm very very certain you can obtain legitimate PTSD from one.
I always prepared extensively before a trip. Playlists, activities. Importantly I had an set amount of a long acting Benzodiazepine. In the case of a bad trip I could abort it, or at least some of it. However I cannot recommend this unsupervised. Everyone has different reactions, and I suspect I've been lucky. I do not even know for sure that the amount of Benzodiazepine I had would have been enough.
I do think they offer an experience that can't be replicated - at least in the way I used it. But I cannot currently recommend it. It's too unpredictable. If you are being guided by a psychologist, with a psychiatrist on standby to properly administer medication in the case you need to abort the trip, then maybe, maybe it's safer. I don't really know yet.
I look forward to the time that we have a better quality studies, and a better understanding of them in general.
If anyone does decide to do them, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE practice risk management. Test your stuff with at least two reagents, have plans in place, preferably trip sitters.
tl;dr - bad trips absolutely are a thing. "difficult moments" are also a thing - and I agree they are learning moments, but they are not the same. They are not even comparable. We cannot pretend bad trips are not a very, very real risk.