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Re:Twitter alerted employees all office buildings closed and... by paulmd on Thursday November 17, 2022 @10:43PM (#33649873)
"We have to throw away the entire business and product and rebuild it in a model where our old thing is impossible" is a tough sell to a boardroom, obviously.

I mean, there is a model that works, it's Discord. Small self-associating groups from various parts of our lives. TBH that's so far ahead of facebook - humans draw meaning from being in groups where there groups are small enough to know and have repeat interactions with people. Facebook is an ocean and it's unstructured (Google Plus or whatever had user grouping, which was an advancement imo - you can say "that's a work person" and interact with them in certain ways) unless you go out of your way to set it up like that. Discord really just works amazingly well for that, I have tons of hobby groups and game groups where I've known people for a super long time and friend groups from whatever community. Kids have the "school chat discords" and if I was in college we'd have had study groups on it I'm sure, we had FB groups then. No reason you can't have a "family discord" too (so uncool, mom!).

Mastodon basically is (or could be) that as a protocol, if you want to treat it like that. Dress it up in a discord-like client and get it onto phones/etc and make the user-story good. People already show they'll pay to self-host discord servers etc, so come up with a cool "Algo" style ansible deployment thingy that makes it super simple, just fires up a server on an AWS account for you and gives you a link you can send to your friends etc. Congrats, you are now the Underwater Basketweaving Enthusiasts Discord Server. Not everybody needs to run a server, but, make it easy enough that people can do it. And as a user, just join the discords you like and let the server op run it.

https://github.com/trailofbits/algo

What exactly does Twitter do in this business model, though, lol? And how do you get there? Twitter's "broadcast" model is nothing at all like that. I guess they're gonna... throw it all away and start fresh? Seems like that's what's happening I guess.

But I guess I just don't see the value in federation generally, to the end user. Pods aren't authoritative, they're meaningful and human-generated, so oauth type stuff doesn't really matter. Why would I want to "cross the streams" between my home and work pods, or let BP come and mine/advertise my server, etc, if I'm the one running it? Consistent cross-discord-instance identity is all I really want from social media, at most and that doesn't need to be tied to this at all, you can do that via google auth or some other idp that solves that problem. Where is the revenue stream in this at all?

And if you just want a service where you click it and it runs in a hosted instance by a cloud provider... well, discord exists, and dropbox remains popular even in a world of NASs, etc.

Re:Twitter alerted employees all office buildings closed and... by pschuegr on Friday November 18, 2022 @12:47AM (#33650877)
I've been having the same feeling about discord - this is the future for social media, or at least the social media I want:

- Smaller streams, fewer people, more personal.

- No great feed of everything. You go to a place to read about a thing. Different thing, different place.

If discord had a bit more work that would enable persistent threads like reddit, and encouraged longer, more thoughtful posts like HN and quality moderation, it would be perfect.

Actually, what I want is HN/Discord mashup. Anybody want to fund it?

Re:Twitter alerted employees all office buildings closed and... by oarabbus_ on Friday November 18, 2022 @01:30AM (#33651098)
>If discord had a bit more work that would enable persistent threads like reddit, and encouraged longer, more thoughtful posts like HN and quality moderation, it would be perfect.

Facebook Groups is this product - but it's exceedingly difficult to find the small percentage of well-moderated, smaller groups which are specialized/for enthusiasts. Also, the FB sub-comment/response structure is far worse than HN or Reddit and leaves much to be desired. But I've joined a few with good moderation and thoughtful, interesting discussions.

That being said, any group with [thousands] of members or loose moderation devolves into an absolute shitshow of shit posting and scam/spam posters.

Re:Twitter alerted employees all office buildings closed and... by paulmd on Friday November 18, 2022 @01:34AM (#33651114)
> Facebook Groups is this product - but it's exceedingly difficult to find the small percentage of well-moderated, smaller groups which are specialized/for enthusiasts.

On the other hand, also Clown Girl Honk Heaven. Perhaps there is yet hope that Internet Porn will survive 9/11 3.0.

Just give Zucky all your nudes, so he can, uh, keep an eye out for them. A dream come true.

https://futurism.com/facebook-wants-protect-your-nudes

"wait a minute, this is gay as hell..." "yeah, this is way gayer than tumblr". "alright everyone back onto tumblr"

Re:Twitter alerted employees all office buildings closed and... by whiskey14 on Friday November 18, 2022 @03:16AM (#33651823)
Is that not Reddit?
Re:Twitter alerted employees all office buildings closed and... by degrees57 on Friday November 18, 2022 @09:39AM (#33655362)
Reddit suffers from intruders trying to influence. With Discord, you won't find my group of friends to intrude upon, because we won't invite you.
Re:Twitter alerted employees all office buildings closed and... by degrees57 on Friday November 18, 2022 @10:26AM (#33656046)
I thought about it more, and you are correct that Reddit enables private subreddits. My circle of friends on the Internet have one - but we've stopped using it. For me, a problem was that Reddit itself became polluted by influencers, so I avoid it (the whole site) as much as possible now. Since Discord hasn't had that problem, it was an easy, pleasant move to make.
Re:Twitter alerted employees all office buildings closed and... by paulmd on Friday November 18, 2022 @03:59AM (#33652112)
basically: humans can totally interact in 10 x O(50) communities despite being utterly unable to interact in 1 x O(500) community. That's really the same lesson as scrum teams too, just at a different scale.

human empathy and working set is totally limited by team size and cache level, you need to optimize for facing the same problems/interests as the person next to you.

Families/localities/regions are the cache layers of empathy. And I'm using "family" broadly.

"Contextual communities" I guess.

Re:Twitter alerted employees all office buildings closed and... by avereveard on Friday November 18, 2022 @01:48AM (#33651222)
Which is why Google plus circles were excellent. Too bad nothing from Google takes traction anymore.
Re:Twitter alerted employees all office buildings closed and... by ilyt on Friday November 18, 2022 @06:08AM (#33653049)
Discord is absolutely horrible for discovery tho. It's fine for private communities but it is entirely ungooglable so you need the other forms of media to even get people to attend say your community around some video game.

I actually detest some companies using it as official communication for their product as none of the question answered are googlable so instead of googling "how to do X" and get some forum post, there is nothing and you have to sign onto their discord and ask same question.

Re:Twitter alerted employees all office buildings closed and... by HelloNurse on Friday November 18, 2022 @08:36AM (#33654390)
Impossible search is a feature: where there is search there are ads, paid links and SEO spam, instead of people you trust, or at least people you know, giving out links to Discord servers.