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Re:Discord Inc. fined 800 000 euros by the CNIL, GDPR regula... by xnorswap on Thursday November 17, 2022 @08:27AM (#33638522)
It's hard to blame apple or blame microsoft for simply having a different convention, which they've long had, I remember struggling to use an iMac back in the day because nothing ever quit when I wanted it to, but I accept that their model is different.

In Windows it's convention for the top right X to be "Quit Application" and equivalent to alt+f4.

It can be useful to have X close to system tray, in which case they can be configured to act that way on an opt-in basis.

I'd still expect an active call to close however, unless a very specific single-purpose thing like mumble. (Which still has "close to tray" opt-in iirc ).

The wider frustrating point is the erosion of the desktop as a whole and the abandonment of native desktop toolkits means it's a total crap-shoot now how something will behave by default, not just on this issue but a whole range of them.

Re:Discord Inc. fined 800 000 euros by the CNIL, GDPR regula... by simiones on Thursday November 17, 2022 @08:46AM (#33638767)
The convention on Windows has always been that Alt+F4 or the X button (or the Close action in the Window Menu) will close the currently focused window (this even works for dialog boxes in Win32 apps!). There is also a softer convention that apps exit when their main/last window is closed, but this has never been a strong convention, and Chat apps in particular have been exiting/minimizing to systray when their windows are closed for decades at this point.

However, keeping an active voice session open with no window open is definitely outside the norm - most apps with audio chat that I know have to audio chat strictly tied to a window.

Re:Discord Inc. fined 800 000 euros by the CNIL, GDPR regula... by smileybarry on Thursday November 17, 2022 @10:57AM (#33640754)
> In Windows it's convention for the top right X to be "Quit Application" and equivalent to alt+f4.

Depends on the app. Some apps, specifically communication, have a convention of: "_" minimizes to taskbar, "X" minimizes to tray. The latter is used constantly because I don't want Discord sitting in my taskbar half the day, but I want to stay online (and sometimes in a voice chat with friends).

On that note, I find this point completely ridiculous given that: (A) Discord notifies you the first time you "X" it that it minimized, and (B) IM apps dating back to MSN Messenger in 2003 would do this.