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Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by dsfyu404ed on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @02:05PM (#33628681)
This is what lack of diversity gets you. Nobody in the chain of events thought anything happening was unreasonable enough to say something. There were probably ~8 people involved from the call to the officers to the DA and the administrative people in the middle who would have had a chance to opine. It only would have taken one Ron Swanson type to be like "hey, this is insane and we're gonna wind up being a national news story if we go through with this".
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by cool_dude85 on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @02:20PM (#33628942)
I don't think you want a lot of "Ron Swanson types", by which I infer you mean libertarians, getting involved in child protective services.
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by SuoDuanDao on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @02:32PM (#33629164)
Why not?
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by cool_dude85 on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @02:38PM (#33629286)
Well, I personally believe that the logical outcome of libertarian thought as it regards kids is that a parent does not have the right to aggress against his children, but also that the parent should not have a legal obligation to feed, clothe, or educate his children, since such obligations would entail positive acts coerced upon the parent and depriving the parent of his rights. The parent therefore may not murder or mutilate his child, and the law properly outlaws a parent from doing so. But the parent should have the legal right not to feed the child, i.e., to allow it to die.

So that's one reason you wouldn't want a libertarian CPS agent.

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by pdonis on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @02:54PM (#33629533)
Your claim about the logical outcome of libertarian thought is wrong, because it fails to consider a key fact: the child is there because of the parents' choice. They chose to bring the child into the world. Or, if they adopted the child, they chose to do that. And when you make that choice, you accept the obligations that come with it. There is nothing in libertarianism that prevents people from making choices that come with obligations that they must accept. The only thing libertarianism would be against would be forcing people to raise children they did not bring into the world or did not adopt.

There are edge cases, such as a woman becoming pregnant against her will (rape, for example); but those are edge cases and don't change the basic principle.

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by nearbuy on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @03:02PM (#33629673)
Good luck finding a libertarian that believes parents shouldn't have to feed their children. I think you've made a straw man argument.
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by cool_dude85 on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @04:02PM (#33630524)
It's a direct quote from Murray Rothbard. So that's one at least.
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by pdonis on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @04:40PM (#33631091)
While Rothbard is of course one of the major figures in libertarianism, he is also notorious for overstating things, and making claims about what "libertarianism" requires that are not endorsed by other prominent libertarians. The claim under discussion here is a case in point.
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by caseysoftware on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @04:52PM (#33631270)
> It's a direct quote from Murray Rothbard. So that's one at least.

Ugh. That sounds ugly. Which part is the quote?

I assume not the "Well, I personally believe.." part but don't see any quotation marks so hard to tell.

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by nearbuy on Thursday November 17, 2022 @09:57PM (#33649401)
I think they're referring to this from The Ethics of Liberty:

> Applying our theory to parents and children, this means that a parent does not have the right to aggress against his children, but also that the parent should not have a legal obligation to feed, clothe, or educate his children, since such obligations would entail positive acts coerced upon the parent and depriving the parent of his rights. The parent therefore may not murder or mutilate his child, and the law properly outlaws a parent from doing so. But the parent should have the legal right not to feed the child, i.e., to allow it to die. The law, therefore, may not properly compel the parent to feed a child or to keep it alive. (Again, whether or not a parent has a moral rather than a legally enforceable obligation to keep his child alive is a completely separate question.)

It's a pretty extreme view. However, he points out that parents still have a moral obligation to feed their child, and goes on to argue that removing the legal obligation would actually make things better for children. I think his argument is that bad parents who don't want their child would be able to sell their child to a nice family, and anyone who cares so little for their child that they'd let them starve would probably rather just sell the child.

I'm not a libertarian myself, so I don't agree with this. I'm just summarizing.

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by vagrantJin on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @03:25PM (#33630004)
This is definitely sarcasm. It is sarcasm, yes?