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Re:U.S. Fines Airlines More Than $7M for Not Providing Refunds by pxx on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @12:05PM (#33626529)
The concert analogy is close but not perfect because the problem is that grouping necessarily puts you into premium seats.

If they can sell aisle and window seats at a premium, you can't allow people to group for free without putting people in relatively more premium seats for free.

The scale of airline seats (on a single flight) and concert tickets is incredibly different anyway, and different forms of price discrimination are required.

Re:U.S. Fines Airlines More Than $7M for Not Providing Refunds by mindslight on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @12:40PM (#33627152)
Southwest is an example of general admission applied to airline seating.

By the time you're calling non-middle seats "premium", we've already lost. We should aim to have markets that converge towards abundance rather than maximum extraction through things like price discrimination.

There's no reason to identify with these scumbags. It's indefensible that they sell seats which then aren't actually big enough to fit a person, whether it be their legs or their arms.

Re:U.S. Fines Airlines More Than $7M for Not Providing Refunds by partdavid on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @03:09PM (#33629776)
There's no airline seat that can't "fit a person", that's hyperbole. Fit any person, maybe. Fit without touching the person next to you, maybe. Fit without negotiating who uses the armrest or shared spaces with a stranger, maybe. I fly frequently, I'm 6'2", I'm medically obese. I fit into a middle seat. Don't love it, it's not the nicest, but it's less cramped than any public transit seat and most theater seats.
Re:U.S. Fines Airlines More Than $7M for Not Providing Refunds by mindslight on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @04:41PM (#33631099)
By your definition, it would be fine for them to sell the seat that was your lap to someone else, since your body still has enough volume to exist.

I've definitely flown in seats where I had to spread my legs (eg into the aisle) so me knees were not pressing up against the seat in front of me. And no matter which seat I sit in, my arms generally hang over the armrests. Talking about "the" armrest nicely demonstrates how much we've been saturated with this nonsense.

As I said, I'd have no problem if they charged as a linear combination of your weight and the sizes of your seat. But rather the setup is to gouge an outsized price for a comparatively small amount of room, because they'll catch some people at the margins over a barrel.

Re:U.S. Fines Airlines More Than $7M for Not Providing Refunds by rtkwe on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @04:03PM (#33630546)
The idea that everything that can be differentially priced should is really annoying and leads to BS like this where everyone's life is worse to marginally increase profits.