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Re:What Happened at Alameda Research by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @09:25AM (#33609499)
> FTX took customer deposits (which were supposed to be held in custody and untouched, according to their TOS) and loaned them out to Alameda to gamble with

This is what I initially suspected. But we can see FTX's balance sheet [1]. There is no loan to Alameda. "FTX shot its customer money into some still-unexplained reaches of the astral plane" is the best explanation we have for billions of missing dollars [2].

[1] https://www.ft.com/content/0c2a55b6-d34c-4685-8a8d-3c9628f1f...

[2] https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-11-14/ftx-s-...

Re:What Happened at Alameda Research by DebtDeflation on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @09:34AM (#33609591)
I have a hunch that:

>negative $8bn entry described as “hidden, poorly internally labled ‘fiat@’ account”

probably had something to do with the loan as that seems to be roughly the amount and the description literally makes no sense.

Re:What Happened at Alameda Research by dwater on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @10:00AM (#33609913)
It's also possible that the one hastily thrown together excel spreadsheet the CEO himself chose to release doesn't include the full accounting. Maybe Sam decided to leave off an illegal off-book loan?
Re:What Happened at Alameda Research by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @10:08AM (#33610028)
> doesn't include the full accounting

I think the running bet is there is no full accounting.

Re:What Happened at Alameda Research by kryogen1c on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @10:02AM (#33609935)
> we can see FTX's balance sheet [1]. There is no loan

The problem with this is that the customer funds are also not present on their balance sheet. Levine opined about this yesterday; Like 3 of the biggest assets are coins ftx didn't pay for - so where did the money go?

That's why the Alameda explanation is likely, in one way or another. Money had to go somewhere.

Re:What Happened at Alameda Research by shawabawa3 on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @11:44AM (#33611516)
That balance sheet is a total joke and of course it doesn't include an extremely illegal loan explicitly written on it
Re:What Happened at Alameda Research by simiones on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @12:13PM (#33611992)
The information about a loan from was taken from the NYT interview [0]:

> Meanwhile, at a meeting with Alameda employees on Wednesday, Ms. Ellison explained what had caused the collapse, according to a person familiar with the matter. Her voice shaking, she apologized, saying she had let the group down. Over recent months, she said, Alameda had taken out loans and used the money to make venture capital investments, among other expenditures.

> Around the time the crypto market crashed this spring, Ms. Ellison explained, lenders moved to recall those loans, the person familiar with the meeting said. But the funds that Alameda had spent were no longer easily available, so the company used FTX customer funds to make the payments. Besides her and Mr. Bankman-Fried, she said, two other people knew about the arrangement: Mr. Singh and Mr. Wang.

[0] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/14/technology/ftx-sam-bankma...

Re:What Happened at Alameda Research by chemmail on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @09:54PM (#33618232)
"Alameda had taken out loans and used the money to make venture capital investments." - translation: We took all the money and gambled it all away. Again.
Re:What Happened at Alameda Research by sgerenser on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @10:31PM (#33618474)