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Re:Crypto Exchange AAX Suspends Withdrawals by codedokode on Monday November 14, 2022 @10:54AM (#33595822)
Regulated banks and currencies have similar issues, for example:

- the government can print more money and devaluate your savings (it's like a form of tax one cannot avoid). But it is difficult to "print" more cryptocurrency.

- the government can put limits on amount of money one can withdraw from a bank account. So you legally have the money but cannot use it.

- the bank can refuse to deal with you under AML acts without need to prove anything. But nobody will ban you from mining and exchanging crypto.

- the bank can go bankrupt

The most reliable way to keep your savings safe seems to be to store it as gold. However, there are usually high taxes for buying/selling gold (because why let people store their savings safely) and often governments outright ban gold (folks from US are probably familiar with such situations [1]).

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102

Re:Crypto Exchange AAX Suspends Withdrawals by dpbriggs on Monday November 14, 2022 @10:59AM (#33595941)
A lot of these exchanges have suddenly died because they printed more currency than could be reasonably liquidated on short notice. And borrowed heavily against these tokens.

When the bank goes bust there's insurance on your deposits. If the amount stored is greater than that insurance you may want to invest the difference.

And gold is practically hard to work with and barely functions as an inflation hedge (point 1) over reasonable time periods (your lifetime).

Re:Crypto Exchange AAX Suspends Withdrawals by codedokode on Monday November 14, 2022 @11:08AM (#33596102)
> When the bank goes bust there's insurance on your deposits

Usually it covers only limited amount, not full deposit. In US it seems to be generous $250 000 but in other countries it is much lower (e.g. just about $20 000 here).

> gold is practically hard to work with and barely functions as an inflation hedge

And deposit interest rates are often below inflation in developed countries.

Re:Crypto Exchange AAX Suspends Withdrawals by awinder on Monday November 14, 2022 @11:31AM (#33596552)
And gold costs money to store, i.e there’s an interest rate charged to you. It’s value does change though — in positive in negative directions that don’t correlate to inflation or an underlying monetary fundamental. Because it’s not money or a money equivalent.
Re:Crypto Exchange AAX Suspends Withdrawals by onlyrealcuzzo on Monday November 14, 2022 @11:01AM (#33595975)
> Regulated banks and currencies have similar issues, for example:

And, yet, it's not an everyday occurrence that some US regulated financial institution loses all customer deposits...

Re:Crypto Exchange AAX Suspends Withdrawals by awinder on Monday November 14, 2022 @11:24AM (#33596410)
Most people are, in fact, willing to trade the government preventing lawlessness with money for the protection of the law with regards to their money. It’s a great trade, for non-criminals.

It also addresses the bankruptcy problem with government loss protection + regulation on net reserves (which worked and are tweaked as multiple overlapping failure conditions are tested, last in 2008).

Re:Crypto Exchange AAX Suspends Withdrawals by diogenescynic on Monday November 14, 2022 @10:57AM (#33595884)
>The most reliable way to keep your savings safe seems to be to store it as gold.

This is nonsense. FDIC insurance is adequate for most people and you can open multiple bank accounts without any issues to expand your coverage limit. Stop giving people bad advice.

And everything you said about banks is an issue with gold. Most people don't have a vault at home they are storing gold in... they are simply buying a certificate that says they own gold in someone else's vault--which has all the same issues as banks and exchanges.

Re:Crypto Exchange AAX Suspends Withdrawals by codedokode on Monday November 14, 2022 @11:10AM (#33596156)
As I understand, the interest rates for deposits in developed countries are too low to compensate inflation.
Re:Crypto Exchange AAX Suspends Withdrawals by diogenescynic on Monday November 14, 2022 @09:35PM (#33604545)
Gold is not even keeping track with the S&P500 vs inflation. You're also conflating a savings/checking account with investing. Totally different issues. This is why people really shouldn't listen to random users for financial advice.
Re:Crypto Exchange AAX Suspends Withdrawals by codedokode on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @02:39PM (#33613921)
> You're also conflating a savings/checking account with investing

As I understand, investing is a risk because you can lose everything and nobody will compensate you. Investments are not covered by FDIC insurance or similar systems in other countries.

But as for gold, your gold will stay with you unless the government decides to confiscate it.

Re:Crypto Exchange AAX Suspends Withdrawals by diogenescynic on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @10:45PM (#33618580)
>But as for gold, your gold will stay with you unless the government decides to confiscate it.

You're infinitely more likely to get robbed than the bank is to fail or the S&P500 is to go to zero. Also, as I said most people invest in gold indirectly and they hold a certificate that says they hold X amount of gold. Idiots store gold at their property and the exchange rates for buying/selling make this by far one of the worst strategies.

Re:Crypto Exchange AAX Suspends Withdrawals by parkingrift on Monday November 14, 2022 @11:14AM (#33596223)
>But it is difficult to "print" more cryptocurrency.

Except it's not. It's trivially easy. Any exchange (or person/entity) can mint a coin, and FTX collapsed in-part because they were backed by their own coin.

Re:Crypto Exchange AAX Suspends Withdrawals by codedokode on Monday November 14, 2022 @11:16AM (#33596246)
I meant cryptocurrency like Bitcoin which is incredibly difficult to mint.