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Re:Jobs responds to outrage over MacBook's missing FireWire by ajross on Friday October 17, 2008 @03:08PM (#335885)
This is just a small-scale repetition of the utter freakout that happened when they went with Intel CPUs. It's the flipside of the religious mania that Apple produces in its customers. A distinguishing technical feature (PowerPC, FireWire) is taken in by the acolyte and interpreted not simply as a difference, but as a fundamental difference between the wonderful Apple stuff and the junk in the rest of the world. The fact that CPUs and high speed peripheral interconnect standards are more or less interchangeable in the modern world gets lost in the mix.
Re:Jobs responds to outrage over MacBook's missing FireWire by mechanical_fish on Friday October 17, 2008 @03:42PM (#335925)
I'm not sure I'd characterize the switch to Intel as an "utter freakout" -- my impression is that the doubters quieted down fairly fast once they got a look at the demos of the compatibility layer and the relative ease of cross-compiling. And while the switch to Intel now looks like a no-brainer, hindsight is always 20-20. That said, I'll agree -- to the extent that people freaked out about the Intel transition, it might be fair to call it an example of "religious mania".

But complaints about Firewire aren't about religion. Firewire and USB 2.0 are only "interchangeable" if you don't already own thousands of dollars' worth of Firewire-only peripherals. Which quite a few people do.

Yes, there are probably converters out there somewhere, or there will be. But will they affect latency? Will they affect driver stability? The owners of $1200 audio interfaces worry about such things. A lot.

Of course, this is not yet the end of the world. As the article points out, Apple still offers Firewire on the MacBook Pro. Moreover, they are still selling machines like my white Macbook, with Firewire, for less money than the new Macbooks. So it's not as if Firewire is being phased out tomorrow. But I don't blame customers for pushing back. If people can convince Apple to keep Firewire around for an additional year, that's one more year that I don't have to spend several hundred bucks to replace my Firewire-based audio interface and hard drive enclosures.

Re:Jobs responds to outrage over MacBook's missing FireWire by cstejerean on Friday October 17, 2008 @11:25PM (#336231)
The owners of $1200 audio interfaces should probably consider getting a Macbook Pro. The Macbook line is apparently not targeted at people that need professional audio equipment. Some people didn't seem to understand that and it looks like Apple wanted to make it more clear.
Re:Jobs responds to outrage over MacBook's missing FireWire by mdasen on Friday October 17, 2008 @03:39PM (#335915)
I don't use FireWire for anything, but it is a superior technology to USB. While USB 2.0 is rated for theoretical speeds higher than FireWire, in reality FireWire performs much better. It's like ATA vs. SCSI. With USB, the CPU of the host machine must manage the connection while FireWire has dedicated hardware for that. FireWire also allows for memory mapped devices which means that the CPU doesn't need to be bothered for copies.

I don't care that FireWire isn't in the new MacBooks, but it is a much better interface than USB. I don't have FireWire devices and don't do anything that would benefit that greatly from FireWire (like video devices or external hard drives). However, I can understand why people who had invested in FireWire devices or people who would benefit from the better interface would be annoyed. The problem for those people is that, just like SCSI, very few people need the advantages of FireWire.

Re:Jobs responds to outrage over MacBook's missing FireWire by cstejerean on Friday October 17, 2008 @11:24PM (#336230)
Well the good news is owners of new Macbooks are no longer vulnerable to Firewire attacks.
Re:Jobs responds to outrage over MacBook's missing FireWire by unalone on Friday October 17, 2008 @03:12PM (#335891)
Yeah. I'd say it's one of the downsides to the hardcore relation Apple has with its users.