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Re:Over $400M worth of tokens drained from FTX accounts by przeor on Saturday November 12, 2022 @06:07AM (#33572016)
I always wonder from where there is such amount of hate in HN community towards crypto ?

S*t happens in any industry. Check bank runs in the past or banking crunch from 2008 etc.

Any fast growing situation or industry takes pain.

Question, what will happen in 20 years from now? Puting hate on public forum is weak

Re:Over $400M worth of tokens drained from FTX accounts by iamacyborg on Saturday November 12, 2022 @06:22AM (#33572090)
People dislike crypto because for many it has become incredibly obvious that it’s nothing more than a vehicle to scam and commit fraud.

Yes, these things happen elsewhere but crypto is perfectly designed to facilitate these bad behaviours.

Re:Over $400M worth of tokens drained from FTX accounts by WanderPanda on Saturday November 12, 2022 @06:49AM (#33572214)
Bitcoin is neutral and almost uninfluentiable by any single party. It‘s neutral, all the rules are out there, nobody has an information advantage. With Ethereum it‘s a bit more difficult because it has a history of being very transparent but there is still Vitalik as the BDFL. Almost everything else in „crypto“ is a mostly centralized system with the same points of failure as traditional financial systems (IoUs => bank rund). It is dishonest to conflate Bitcoin with all these possible scams. I hope Ethereum can establish itself as a neutral, natural law kind of system as well (removing Vitalik from the equation). Because on top of Ethereum more people can built trust less systems that can have bugs but that can‘t really be scams because all the mechanics are public and nobody can have an information advantage.
Re:Over $400M worth of tokens drained from FTX accounts by iamacyborg on Saturday November 12, 2022 @07:05AM (#33572313)
The reality is that the technology being “neutral” or not is irrelevant. It’s how the technology is used that matters.
Re:Over $400M worth of tokens drained from FTX accounts by jerpint on Saturday November 12, 2022 @06:50AM (#33572219)
It’s also funny that in certain instances crypto is perfectly designed to easily catch these behaviours (since the ledgers are public)
Re:Over $400M worth of tokens drained from FTX accounts by paranoidrobot on Saturday November 12, 2022 @06:18AM (#33572071)
I can't speak for others, but personally my great dislike for it is the very high rate of scam-like behaviour.

Every where you look, it turns out that someone is doing a 'rug pull', using customer funds in ways that don't line up with what they said publicly, or using misleading and deceptive behaviours to con others into giving them money.

Re:Over $400M worth of tokens drained from FTX accounts by fmajid on Saturday November 12, 2022 @08:05AM (#33572664)
You're already doing them a great favor by conceding a possibility the scam rate is not exactly 100.0%.
Re:Over $400M worth of tokens drained from FTX accounts by jasonwatkinspdx on Saturday November 12, 2022 @06:34AM (#33572144)
Because we're tired of a dumpster fire of scams and fraud being sold as the revolutionary future of all finance and money.

We do not want that future. We don't even want the bitcoin present. We think it's bad and will cheer as it implodes.

There was a time I thought something like bitcoin had a useful role to play in the world, never as a consumer/retail thing, but more a zero trust alternative to existing clearing houses used by businesses. The mania around getting rich quick on crypto coins has utterly destroyed that possibility.

You can call it hate if you like. I don't particularly care. I do think spreading this criticism to counter the hype and straight up fraud pitches is justified, including being rather emphatic about it.

Re:Over $400M worth of tokens drained from FTX accounts by TheNewsIsHere on Saturday November 12, 2022 @08:04AM (#33572647)
I am saddened about the baggage that blockchain technologies hold in less technical circles now. They’re not just for cryptocurrencies.

My grandfather hears “blockchain” and he assumes he is looking at a crypto scam.

Re:Over $400M worth of tokens drained from FTX accounts by krisoft on Saturday November 12, 2022 @08:14AM (#33572728)
> My grandfather hears “blockchain” and he assumes he is looking at a crypto scam.

As a first approximation he sounds like a wise man.

> They’re not just for cryptocurrencies.

Please tell me about the other use cases.

Re:Over $400M worth of tokens drained from FTX accounts by stephc_int13 on Saturday November 12, 2022 @08:15AM (#33572736)
Your grandfather is not that dumb.
Re:Over $400M worth of tokens drained from FTX accounts by jasonwatkinspdx on Saturday November 12, 2022 @07:18PM (#33578629)
Merkle trees and consensus algorithms predate "blockchain." So far blockchain has very little to offer other than solutions to Sybil attacks that so far are net negative in externalities.
Re:Over $400M worth of tokens drained from FTX accounts by TheNewsIsHere on Thursday November 17, 2022 @09:55AM (#33639669)
You are absolutely right! It’s accurate to say blockchains are a synthesis of other technologies, and solve for particular, narrow use cases.

That is useful, but not as generally useful as cryptocurrency advocates want you to believe.

Re:Over $400M worth of tokens drained from FTX accounts by przeor on Sunday November 13, 2022 @05:45AM (#33581824)
yes, but the same we can tell about equity invention...

people were misusing it, does it mean that it is bad?

LLC are a main factorfor growth in last 100 years because of incentives aligment. same with crypto.

any tool can be exploited by bad actors

does it mean it should not exsist or be hated?

Re:Over $400M worth of tokens drained from FTX accounts by TomSwirly on Saturday November 12, 2022 @07:05AM (#33572314)
1. Because everyone touts "avoiding government regulations" - what most of us call "crime" - as one of crypto's primary reasons.

2. Because there are so many scams in the field.

3. Because crypto people have this unattractive combination of acting superior to others while literally never having read about or even thought deeply about economics.

4. Because after 13 years, not one Web3 project has emerged that has any value outside cryptocurrencies.

5. Because blockchains are wildly consumptive of the world's resources, right when we see the devastation of our biosphere roaring down on us.

Re:Over $400M worth of tokens drained from FTX accounts by przeor on Sunday November 13, 2022 @05:48AM (#33581836)
any progress requires mistakes, crypto over internet only speed ups this process

people wont fall twice into same scam

people can learn faster thanks to it

in other indystries there are also bad actors

only different, crypto is faster which is good thing in good use cases

Re:Over $400M worth of tokens drained from FTX accounts by pjc50 on Saturday November 12, 2022 @07:09AM (#33572336)
I need a name for the cognitive distortion where someone says "X is bad" for valid reasons and then jumps immediately on a much worse solution. Applies not just to crypto but to bringing up the Iraq war; or complaints about "MSM" leading people to choose entirely fact-free nonsense channels or literal Russian state propaganda TV instead.