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Re:Binance Acquires FTX by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @11:49AM (#33521139)
> SBF said "We don't invest client assets (even in treasuries)"

We know that was false when it was said, given the Alameda balance sheet. (FTX invested in Alameda which made risky loans to crypto folks and bought FTT, which FTX minted [1].)

[1] https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/11/02/divisions-in-sa...

Re:Binance Acquires FTX by ucha on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @11:59AM (#33521264)
Nowhere does it say that FTX invested in Alameda.

Alameda invested in FTT which is minted by FTX which is not the same thing.

Re:Binance Acquires FTX by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @12:37PM (#33521748)
> Alameda invested in FTT which is minted by FTX

FTX issued FTT to Alameda. We have no idea what Alameda gave them as collateral, but it's clear it wasn't cash. Lending is a form of investing.

Re:Binance Acquires FTX by ucha on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @01:04PM (#33522089)
How can you say it's clear it wasn't cash? What's the source?

Also, FTX minted FTT out of nothing - effective cost zero - so no matter what they received in exchange, even if they had received nothing that is not an investment unless they received Alameda equity. I agree that lending is a form of investment but nothing says that they received a loan in exchange.

You could still be right, but it's all speculation :)

Re:Binance Acquires FTX by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @01:15PM (#33522234)
> How can you say it's clear it wasn't cash?

FTT spiraled and FTX went insolvent.

Re:Binance Acquires FTX by lmm on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @05:16PM (#33525081)
Doesn't mean they never received any cash. Maybe the CEO spent it all on crack and hookers.
Re:Binance Acquires FTX by tootie on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @12:11PM (#33521398)
I know the SEC is struggling to stay on top of the crypto market, but it certainly seems like SBF should be in an absolutely huge amount of legal jeopardy right now. And if he isn't, then the crypto market is beyond saving and deserves to die.
Re:Binance Acquires FTX by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @12:22PM (#33521546)
> SEC...it certainly seems like SBF should be in an absolutely huge amount of legal jeopardy right now

FTX U.S. is fine. To the degree Americans are hurt, it's investors in the international entity. If anyone deserves regulatory scrutiny, it's the institutional investors betting fiduciary assets on crypto.

Re:Binance Acquires FTX by quantumwannabe on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @06:27PM (#33525669)
I wonder if SBF became one of the largest political donors in the country, not for altruistic reasons like he claims, but for protection from the SEC.