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Re:Three N.H. towns are testing new voting machines that use... by thaumasiotes on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @04:37AM (#33517514)
> What's important for voting confidence is having the count be auditable, which is much more important than having the machines be secure. After all, banks learned how to do that with money long ago.

Having the count be auditable doesn't really help you. If you have a pile of ballots, and you can prove with certainty that you've correctly counted what they say, you've made zero steps toward legitimacy. Where did the ballots come from?

This is a huge problem for secret ballots, where the goal of the system is that ballots can't be audited. It is not a problem for cash counting machines, because the only problem they're trying to solve is determining how much cash you have.

Re:Three N.H. towns are testing new voting machines that use... by cm2187 on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @04:55AM (#33517607)
They need to be counted locally. In France the ballot boxes are translucide and counted at the voting station by members of the public.
Re:Three N.H. towns are testing new voting machines that use... by thaumasiotes on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @05:01AM (#33517633)
> In France the ballot boxes are translucide

Penn and Teller, in one of my favorite jokes of theirs, say that an unwritten rule of the cups and balls trick is that you must not ever perform the cups and balls trick with clear plastic cups.

However, magicians do frequently make something about a trick of theirs transparent - figuratively or literally - as a way of making you more surprised when they pull the trick off anyway. You were looking in the wrong place, at the transparent part of the trick.

That's not to say transparent boxes are a bad idea. They really do make some attacks harder.

Re:Three N.H. towns are testing new voting machines that use... by Vespasian on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @07:19AM (#33518296)
Same in Germany.

It's local volunteers counting their local votes and the public is welcome to witness it (if they manage to behave and not try to disrupt the count).

Until the proceedings are done the ballots do not move more than a few meters from where they were distributed and filled out.

Switzerland regularly manages large referendums on paper just fine and AFAIK they use a similar system.

But then these countries all vote on Sundays and with a sufficient number of polling stations (and higher voter turnout) so it usually takes no more than a few minutes.

The US has some serious operational problems regarding it's election system even before talking about the political side.

Re:Three N.H. towns are testing new voting machines that use... by WalterBright on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @12:33PM (#33521699)
> Where did the ballots come from?

The same way the cops do it. Each bag of ballots has a chain-of-evidence protocol like the cops do.

Ballot boxes are opened by two people, one from each party. The ballots are put into the ballot bag, which is sealed. Both people then sign the bag and log its serial number. Every transfer up to the voting machine is witnessed and logged and signed for by two people, one from each party.