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Re:‘I don’t want this kind of life’: graduate students quest... by lightbendover on Monday November 07, 2022 @10:23PM (#33515569)
Isn't working towards the top of any field going to have just as many chances of failure at every step? My wife was the very top candidate for her surgical sub-specialty in the year she completed her fellowship and she still barely got an attending position due to how few openings were available. I am nowhere near as talented as she is, but I still had a tremendous battle to get where I am in tech and I watch brilliant engineers tap out before hitting even PE routinely. Working hard for 4 years and having nothing to show for it is de rigueur. Most effort spent in the world is spent in vain, but you have no chance of winning if you don't play the game.
Re:‘I don’t want this kind of life’: graduate students quest... by klipt on Monday November 07, 2022 @10:34PM (#33515625)
The difference with software engineering is even if you "fail" you usually have a nice pile of money to show for it. If you drop out of a PhD all you have is some cool stories and obscure knowledge.
Re:‘I don’t want this kind of life’: graduate students quest... by ZephyrBlu on Monday November 07, 2022 @11:46PM (#33515947)
Definitely this. You're still very comfortable if you only end up as a Senior SWE.
Re:‘I don’t want this kind of life’: graduate students quest... by ModernMech on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @08:02AM (#33518519)
> all you have is some cool stories and obscure knowledge

As if obscure knowledge is worthless. Trading the opportunity to make money for obscure knowledge is the whole value proposition of a Ph.D.! If one doesn’t value obscure knowledge, yeah, a Ph.D. Might be a bad value proposition for that individual.

Re:‘I don’t want this kind of life’: graduate students quest... by vkou on Monday November 07, 2022 @11:16PM (#33515812)
Most fields don't require all of the people working in them to be at the top of their field.

And the ones that do pay orders of magnitude more.

Re:‘I don’t want this kind of life’: graduate students quest... by nomadiccoder on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @12:22AM (#33516129)
Orders? Plural? This is not true. Youre likely to make 90 percentile
Re:‘I don’t want this kind of life’: graduate students quest... by vkou on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @01:04AM (#33516341)
Sorry, I suppose being a professional musician is one field with similar requirements for skill versus pay. Nobody's going to pay any money to a middle-quintile piano player, just like nobody in academia is going to pay any money to a freshly-minted middle-quintile PHD.
Re:‘I don’t want this kind of life’: graduate students quest... by dalbasal on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @02:23AM (#33516737)
Middle quintile?
Re:‘I don’t want this kind of life’: graduate students quest... by vkou on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @04:18AM (#33517399)
Someone in the middle 20% of competence at a skill or profession.
Re:‘I don’t want this kind of life’: graduate students quest... by leereeves on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @04:18AM (#33517402)
In percentiles, 40% to 60%.
Re:‘I don’t want this kind of life’: graduate students quest... by raspberry1337 on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @04:08AM (#33517344)
Sorry, what's PE? /Junior engineer in non-english country
Re:‘I don’t want this kind of life’: graduate students quest... by bulma on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @04:16AM (#33517390)
I assume it’s principal engineer.
Re:‘I don’t want this kind of life’: graduate students quest... by knappa on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @08:05AM (#33518535)
Professional engineer. That is, a official state licensed engineer.