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Re:US Attorney Announces $3.36B Cryptocurrency Seizure in Co... by closewith on Monday November 07, 2022 @10:26AM (#33506996)
> The utility ease of holding bitcoin is apparent with this seizure. What other asset could you hide the equivalent of $1B USD in a floor safe and a popcorn tin and without having to use a 3rd party custodian?

Back in the day, the answer would have been bearer bonds, but they're no longer popular instruments.

Re:US Attorney Announces $3.36B Cryptocurrency Seizure in Co... by busyant on Monday November 07, 2022 @10:32AM (#33507079)
> bearer bonds

The financial instrument of choice for movie heist villains from the 1970s to early 2000s.

Re:US Attorney Announces $3.36B Cryptocurrency Seizure in Co... by closewith on Monday November 07, 2022 @10:40AM (#33507210)
And the Italian Mafia until at least 2009!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiasso_financial_smuggling_ca...

> The total value of the counterfeit bonds was estimated at approximately one percent of total U.S. GDP in 2008

Re:US Attorney Announces $3.36B Cryptocurrency Seizure in Co... by dmix on Monday November 07, 2022 @11:19AM (#33507838)
What a fascinating story. Very mysterious...

> The Financial Times also reported that the two suspects "had been released" by Italian authorities.

I guess they helped direct the police to the actual counterfeiters.

> An earlier billion-dollar bond case was recorded in 2002, when the United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit, located in Chicago, heard a case from two men who sought $100 billion from the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago.

So two guys tried to bring a fake bearer bond worth $100B and tried to cash it out? That's hilarious. It also sounds like they didn't even get in trouble.

Re:US Attorney Announces $3.36B Cryptocurrency Seizure in Co... by busyant on Monday November 07, 2022 @12:05PM (#33508622)
Good lord, that story is insane.

Some choice excerpts:

> ... Japanese nationals in their 50s ... who had attempted to enter Switzerland with a suitcase ... containing what ... appeared to be U.S. Treasury Bonds worth $134.5 billion.

Enough to buy a couple of Twitters!

> The Financial Times also reported that the two suspects "had been released" by Italian authorities.

??????????????????????

edit:

> On September 18, 2009, a similar incident was reported ... by the Italian financial military police ... involving two Philippines nationals smuggling purported U.S. Treasury bonds valued at approximately $180 billion

Why do these involve Asian nationals? I'm just not a good enough crook to determine the advantage here...

> On February 17, 2012, it was reported that Italian police had seized $6 trillion in counterfeit U.S. bonds....

If you're gonna commit a crime, you might as well swing for the fences, eh?

This is Dr. Evil type stuff!

Re:US Attorney Announces $3.36B Cryptocurrency Seizure in Co... by tedunangst on Monday November 07, 2022 @06:35PM (#33514081)
> Why do these involve Asian nationals? I'm just not a good enough crook to determine the advantage here...

Kansas City shuffle. You find someone who wants to help run the con, but they're actually the mark.

Re:US Attorney Announces $3.36B Cryptocurrency Seizure in Co... by krustyburger on Monday November 07, 2022 @10:40AM (#33507208)
They’re still relevant in that there’s always a chance someone may ask you to “do a Die Hard.”
Re:US Attorney Announces $3.36B Cryptocurrency Seizure in Co... by mminer237 on Monday November 07, 2022 @10:45AM (#33507286)
New bearer bonds were outlawed forty years ago is why.
Re:US Attorney Announces $3.36B Cryptocurrency Seizure in Co... by closewith on Monday November 07, 2022 @10:57AM (#33507488)
The world extends beyond the US. The Panama Papers showed that bearer bonds were alive and well all the way until the mid-2010s, and Panama itself only phased them out in 2015.
Re:US Attorney Announces $3.36B Cryptocurrency Seizure in Co... by notch656a on Monday November 07, 2022 @03:25PM (#33511868)
Which is why I think it's absurd to think it's a coincidence that the rise of crypto happened at the exact same time world financial task-forces snuffed out bearer bonds and offshore anonymous accounts.
Re:US Attorney Announces $3.36B Cryptocurrency Seizure in Co... by Scoundreller on Monday November 07, 2022 @12:05PM (#33508637)
I wonder what percentage of old companies are still owned by « bearer » shares.

At least investment/corporate bonds usually expire, so the bearer ones eventually wash out.