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Re:Being Ridiculed for My Open Source Project (2013) by moonchrome on Monday November 07, 2022 @03:15AM (#33502753)
I'm sorry but grown people should know how to deal with these situations - if your response is sobbing you have larger issues (outside of your code) to deal with.

If author was really young I can get it because it - you're still figuring things out. But if you're a professional - dealing with the fact that you will make (colosall by some criteria) mistakes should be something you've learned to deal with.

Re:Being Ridiculed for My Open Source Project (2013) by kakadzhun on Monday November 07, 2022 @03:23AM (#33502819)
Her emotional response was definitely not wrong nor an issue. Criticism is hard to take for anyone, but the tweets weren't even criticism, just plain mocking. What do you believe was her mistake? Sobbing about it for an emotional release, or trying to put something out in the open source world?
Re:Being Ridiculed for My Open Source Project (2013) by moonchrome on Monday November 07, 2022 @04:04AM (#33503213)
Not knowing how to deal with mocking ? If your response is sobbing then either your parents failed at providing kindergarten life lession or you're so insecure that a random tweet from some dude on the internet can make you cry.

To simplify :

- I'm a professional who gets shit done, some sarcastic tweet about something I didn't know is just an insight + a hint that the person making the comment is a dick. I'm aware that despite me not knowing everything I produce valuable solutions and any solution can be picked apart by some criteria.

- I'm a novice and am aware of it - someone mocking me for not knowing something doesn't make sense - I'm not supposed to be at the level to produce ideal solutions - getting things working is an achievement on it's own

- It hurt because I'm insecure about my ability. I need to work on my ability and confidence (which is why mocking people who can't do anything about it is exceptionally pathetic).

Mocking aside - working with insecure emotional people is a chore - you have to walk on eggshells to avoid breaking frail egos by pointing out their mistakes in a way that will not trigger their ego defense mechanisms and go down that spiral.

Re:Being Ridiculed for My Open Source Project (2013) by hoseja on Monday November 07, 2022 @04:15AM (#33503316)
Or you get how to exploit the evolutionary hack of men rushing to protect a sobbing woman.
Re:Being Ridiculed for My Open Source Project (2013) by thrown_22 on Monday November 07, 2022 @07:00AM (#33504737)
>Her emotional response was definitely not wrong nor an issue.

It was both. If we keep telling people that they can fall apart at the drop of a hat we end up with a lot of people who can't function in society.

Re:Being Ridiculed for My Open Source Project (2013) by FeepingCreature on Monday November 07, 2022 @08:35AM (#33505591)
If we tell people they can't fall apart at the drop of a hat, does that actually help?
Re:Being Ridiculed for My Open Source Project (2013) by thrown_22 on Monday November 07, 2022 @02:29PM (#33511037)
Yes.
Re:Being Ridiculed for My Open Source Project (2013) by FeepingCreature on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @02:17AM (#33516698)
Cite evidence...?
Re:Being Ridiculed for My Open Source Project (2013) by chris_wot on Monday November 07, 2022 @04:02AM (#33503184)
It seems that having an honest emotional response to unconstructive criticism is a fairly adult mechanism that helps with coping.

Writing a blog post calling out the behaviour also appears to be a reasonable course of action. I would consider that an “adult” response also.

And publishing open source code to a GitHub repo is not a “collosal” mistake. It’s not a mistake at all. Adults, on the other hand, generally give constructive criticism. None of these people did that. Two of the apologises, and that was an adult response.

Re:Being Ridiculed for My Open Source Project (2013) by moonchrome on Monday November 07, 2022 @04:08AM (#33503251)
If you haven't learned to deal with mocking in other ways than sobbing I'd argue you haven't really grown up. Like I wrote down below - this is a totally nonconfrontational situation (there is no direct risk from agressive behavior) - sort of like someone making a mean comment passing by you - if it hurts you so much you likely have confidence issues in this regard - and as much as we're trying to create safe places all over - working with these people is a chore.
Re:Being Ridiculed for My Open Source Project (2013) by hgomersall on Monday November 07, 2022 @04:28AM (#33503431)
And the response was non confrontational - she just pointed out that the tweets were objectionable, which they were, and that she was upset by them, which I assume she was. No suggestion she was sobbing. Everyone was free to ignore her, but tellingly did not. Even you feel the need to add your pennyworth, so perhaps you need to stop feeling the need to express your opinion at us all; I could make some assertions about your maturity to that end, but will not (because I don't think it).

Working with people that lack emotional intelligence is a chore.

Re:Being Ridiculed for My Open Source Project (2013) by moonchrome on Monday November 07, 2022 @04:32AM (#33503473)
> No suggestion she was sobbing.

> So of course I start sobbing.

... too much of a chore to read before making comments?

Re:Being Ridiculed for My Open Source Project (2013) by hgomersall on Monday November 07, 2022 @04:41AM (#33503559)
The fact she was actually sobbing (assuming that wasn't a rhetorical point) does not make your response better, and was tangential to the point I was making. Too much of a chore to assume that I hadn't internalised every line but still understand the point that was being made?

Your snark is not becoming.

Re:Being Ridiculed for My Open Source Project (2013) by sho_hn on Monday November 07, 2022 @04:56AM (#33503694)
It takes a fair amount of maturity and character strength to be the object of public ridicule over one's abilities, and proceed to write a calm blog post about it calling it out. I was impressed, also by the follow-up.

I'm sure the vast majority of people would have either reacted defensively and been intimidated into taking the project down, or reacted angrily (and likely still modified or taken the project down).

Re:Being Ridiculed for My Open Source Project (2013) by RamblingCTO on Monday November 07, 2022 @05:38AM (#33504120)
Imho this is the problem behind the mental health crisis for men.

> If you haven't learned to deal with mocking in other ways than sobbing I'd argue you haven't really grown up.

Communicating your emotions about something purely for what they are takes courage and is the most important thing an adult can learn. You obviously can't expect that others respect your emotions or that you are entitled to anything at all, but purely communicating them goes a long way.

"Growing up" also is a very weird concept. You have no idea as to why the blog post author sobbed or if this was even just used as a rhetorical device. Are you only grown up after you got your mental health in order? If so, that gives an average of 50+ for some people, and never for most.

Re:Being Ridiculed for My Open Source Project (2013) by moonchrome on Monday November 07, 2022 @02:08PM (#33510704)
Communicating emotions is orthogonal to managing them - if you let mean comments of irrelevant strangers impact you that emotionally you are going to be emotionally unstable.
Re:Being Ridiculed for My Open Source Project (2013) by RamblingCTO on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @04:20AM (#33517413)
Sorry, bullshit. We're social beings. You can tell yourself all you want that others and mean comments don't affect you, but I don't think that's true at all.
Re:Being Ridiculed for My Open Source Project (2013) by FeepingCreature on Monday November 07, 2022 @08:53AM (#33505758)
When I was doing my civil service (19), I was not very good at it. One day, one of the people at my workplace went off on me for something like ten minutes. I started crying. Then I apologized for crying, because I had no control over it. I didn't want them to think I was trying to manipulate them or anything; it was just something that my body decided to do without my input.

"You have larger issues" is not an actionable strategy. By all means, if you can tell me how to not break down at intense personal criticism, I will gladly stop doing so.

("Can you just not?" No, I can't. I literally don't have the capability.)

(Well, that was then. I've gotten a lot more confident since.)

Re:Being Ridiculed for My Open Source Project (2013) by moonchrome on Monday November 07, 2022 @11:39AM (#33508163)
Well you sort of answered it - I don't have a problem with people crying in a stressful situation - just don't like the idea that we should coddle insecure people because they have confidence issues. Also 19 is a teenager - I prefaced my comment with it being understandable for younger people building their self image/novices.

Snarky comments forget that there are people behind those projects - but there's this implicit assumption that any contribution is a good thing and it should be encouraged. Poor contributions that are not called out just are traps and time wasters for other people - as someone who had to dumpster dive on NPM in the past - no contribution is better than a poor one because poor ones waste time and create noise. It might make the author feel bad but it's better for the community.