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Re:Why to Start a Startup in a Bad Economy by emmett on Thursday October 16, 2008 @04:24PM (#334891)
Google and Yahoo are both obvious successes. Amazon is another. One Google outweighs hundreds or thousands of failures. You can't dismiss them as merely "anomolous" - among the biggest internet companies most of them followed this strategy.

MySpace's acquisition hasn't failed: it's a profitable enterprise for NewsCorp and still growing. It paid back the purchase price in the first year! So that's a success, not a failure.

The jury is still out on YouTube, Facebook, and Flickr as to whether they will be long term businesses, so they are not yet data points one way or another. They are clear success stories for the founders though.

Re:Why to Start a Startup in a Bad Economy by fallentimes on Thursday October 16, 2008 @04:42PM (#334927)
Amazon had a business model from day 1. I don't think they really apply to this conversation. They weren't profitably early on, but that's way different from not having business model.

"Among the biggest internet companies, most of them followed this strategy."

You could be right, but I honestly have no idea. What sources are you using? How are you measuring this?

"It paid back the purchase price in the first year!"

Wait, what? Revenue or profit? Revenue > Acquisition Cost != success.

"They are clear success stories for the founders though."

Definitely, which is probably the most important thing of all.

Re:Why to Start a Startup in a Bad Economy by emmett on Thursday October 16, 2008 @07:02PM (#335080)
From the Alexa top 20 global (http://www.alexa.com/site/ds/top_sites?ts_mode=global&la...):

Yahoo - users before revenue, success

Google - users before revenue, success

YouTube - users before revenue, undecided

Microsoft - revenue before users, although their internet properties consistently lose money. Not really an internet company.

MySpace - users before revenue, success (MySpace is profitable already)

Facebook - users before revenue, undecided

Blogger - users before revenue, probably a success although google doesn't release numbers so it's hard to say how much money they make on it

Orkut - same as Blogger

RapidShare - users before revenue, success (very profitable freemium model)

Baidu - I'm not sure. I presume they follow the same path as Google did, but with an obvious example of how to succeed already in place.

QQ - users before revenue, success (virtual goods turn out to be a great way to monetize a free chat product in China)

eBay - revenue before users; they didn't make auctions free

Hi5 - users before revenue, undecided

In addition to being the biggest internet companies, these are among the most profitable. Several of the top 20 were acquired by other companies, making it difficult to judge how successful they would be independently. Several are still so new it's hard to tell. There's exactly one which took money over user growth (eBay).

Re:Why to Start a Startup in a Bad Economy by dmoney on Thursday October 16, 2008 @10:39PM (#335220)
Your comment makes the page scroll horizontally. It's bad Feng Shui.
Re:Why to Start a Startup in a Bad Economy by natrius on Friday October 17, 2008 @03:30AM (#335401)
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Re:Why to Start a Startup in a Bad Economy by dimitar on Friday October 17, 2008 @04:10AM (#335413)
Thanks a lot for this tip! I sense that I am going to use that extension a lot.
Re:Why to Start a Startup in a Bad Economy by fallentimes on Thursday October 16, 2008 @07:45PM (#335105)
Not sure it's statistically significant, but very insightful overview - thank you.

One quick nitpick: I'd argue Rapidshare had a business model before users, even if it technically had users before revenue.