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Re:Mastodon Explained by jackthetab on Saturday November 05, 2022 @08:13PM (#33487339)
Then don't go to those servers. Isn't that what "freedom of association" is about?

Also, is the functionality dystopian or the application thereof?

Re:Mastodon Explained by ok123456 on Saturday November 05, 2022 @08:52PM (#33487575)
That breaks the idea of having a federated network, if you have no guarantees that sending a message on one end of it reaches its recipient. Now we just have all the same problems of email but with the mechanics of a multicast medium.

Eventually, you'll reach the point where a duopoly will effectively control who is allowed to be part of the larger network. And this was the original problem people were trying to solve by creating a federated network.

Re:Mastodon Explained by stormbrew on Saturday November 05, 2022 @09:15PM (#33487725)
> That breaks the idea of having a federated network

What fresh nonsense is this? There's never been a federated system with anything like a perfect guarantee of connectivity to literally anything. There are always limits, both social and technical.

Where do people get these ideas?

Re:Mastodon Explained by syntheweave on Saturday November 05, 2022 @09:42PM (#33487939)
The argument is a case of begging the question: Start with your conclusion, then reason backwards to the justification.

It's the case that a federation tends to erode. Likewise, it's the case that a centralized system tends to collapse.

The question to ask is really one of backing a horse to ride on to be pragmatically useful; winning the technical argument is academic.

The fediverse has a few core principles in mind, and they tend to get centered in Mastodon's marketing. So it does make some sense that it gets attacked for being an imperfect realization of those principles, and for being unprincipled in other respects. But in a head-to-head comparison with other implementations of social media it can still claim to be more principled on those things it tried to pursue.

Re:Mastodon Explained by ok123456 on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @11:28AM (#33520807)
Having the inability to know if a message is propagated federation wide, based on an arbitrary value judgement based on ????, renders it useless as a communication medium.

For this to work it needs to be treated as a common carrier, and not a social network.

Re:Mastodon Explained by heavyset_go on Saturday November 05, 2022 @11:31PM (#33488619)
Federation implies variation on how things are operated, it's a feature against the monoculture and fragility of centeralized systems. That some instances operate with different standards is to be expected.

Dystopian would be dictating that everyone operates the software they choose to run using their own time and resources in the same exact way.