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Re:IRC Server as Tor Hidden Service on OpenBSD by superkuh on Saturday November 05, 2022 @11:01AM (#33482103)
It's not so much that internet protocols are hostile as cellular internet connections are bad (random round trip time leads to TCP back-off, often no ipv4) and smart phones are energy limited re: radio modem activity (can't hold open a TCP connection).

They require crutches and compromises to be made to participate in the internet. Usually this is in the form of a incorporated entity doing the hand holding.

Re:IRC Server as Tor Hidden Service on OpenBSD by akerl_ on Saturday November 05, 2022 @11:37AM (#33482470)
The behavior you describe with cell phones is also how overall internet access works in many geographic regions.

There are areas where residential internet is fast and reliable, but if you’re building a service that sucks on bandwidth/energy/throughput constrained links, you’re building a service that’s not viable for tons of users.

Re:IRC Server as Tor Hidden Service on OpenBSD by superkuh on Saturday November 05, 2022 @11:43AM (#33482544)
You're right. In the last decade or so the capabilities of the average internet user have degraded significantly. Should we handicap all software to accommodate these people? Profit motive says yes and incorporated entities surely will do so. But it is not the right move for human persons.
Re:IRC Server as Tor Hidden Service on OpenBSD by akerl_ on Saturday November 05, 2022 @11:52AM (#33482619)
The people with bad internet connections are human persons.

The idea that to make something that works for those people we have to make systems that are worse for people with fast internet is a false dichotomy. We can (and should) make services and systems that work well for everybody.

Re:IRC Server as Tor Hidden Service on OpenBSD by Gigachad on Saturday November 05, 2022 @05:12PM (#33485825)
How exactly is it handicapped? Last I saw, modern software like Matrix does everything IRC does and 100x more.
Re:IRC Server as Tor Hidden Service on OpenBSD by superkuh on Monday November 07, 2022 @09:23AM (#33506096)
That's exactly it. Mobile phone users have to use things like matrix with extremely heavy protocol overhead and someone else hosting their client software and maintaining connection (for the vast majority it's element.io in browser using their owned matrix.org homeserver).