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Re:Thoughts about Twitter by tushonka on Friday November 04, 2022 @03:20PM (#33472290)
The image of Elon Musk turned sour after he decided to play geo-politcs and play the Putin's peacekeeper puppet. That event, at least for me showed the true colors of Musky
Re:Thoughts about Twitter by yonaguska on Friday November 04, 2022 @03:32PM (#33472482)
I wouldn't call it "playing" geopolitics when his company is sinking money into the conflict via starlink, and he presumably has no choice in the matter. Peace is always better than war, I'm not sure when we started valuing life so cheaply. Or is it just Ukrainian lives we'll happily write off? Overwhelmingly men, and not the children of the oligarchs that are funnelling money out of the country. Ultimately, every one will pay the price for this war, except for the political elite that are profiting from it.
Re:Thoughts about Twitter by sackbut on Saturday November 05, 2022 @11:16AM (#33482269)
Ceding territories in a forced negotiation to only set the stage for the next conflict is not peace, it's appeasement.
Re:Thoughts about Twitter by mistermann on Friday November 04, 2022 @03:29PM (#33472435)
If science had demonstrated that telepathy is possible even on one-to-one basis let alone at massive scale, it would be far easier to take this popular meme (and the hundreds of others like it) more seriously.

Maybe that's a bit too much to ask of humanity at this stage of its development, but a person can always dream!

Re:Thoughts about Twitter by RobertRoberts on Friday November 04, 2022 @03:26PM (#33472386)
Wanting peace is now a bad thing?

Does it matter that his method wasn't ideal, at least he wasn't pushing for nuclear war like many politicians.

Re:Thoughts about Twitter by jakewins on Friday November 04, 2022 @03:33PM (#33472516)
I think the split around that is that people like me didn’t see his appeal as wanting peace. Russia was de-facto allowed to annex huge swathes of Ukrainian territory in 2014 - what did we learn from that?

To me, Musks calls are equivalent to saying “ok, now freeze the frontline until Russia has had time to rearm and rebuild for the next push”.

We tried the “peace” proposal Elon put forth in 2014, thousands of young Ukrainians and Russians are now dead as a result.

Re:Thoughts about Twitter by yusefnapora on Friday November 04, 2022 @03:31PM (#33472467)
“I say, Théoden King: shall we have peace and friendship, you and I? It is ours to command."

"We will have peace," said Théoden at last thickly and with an effort. Several of the Riders cried out gladly. Théoden held up his hand. "Yes, we will have peace," he said now in a clear voice, "we will have peace, when you and all your works have perished--and the works of your dark master to whom you would deliver us. You are a liar, Saruman, and a corrupter a men's hearts. You hold out your hand it to me, and I perceive only a finger of the claw of Mordor. Cruel and cold! Even if your war on me was just--as it was not, for were you ten times as wise you would have no right to rule me and mine for your own profit as you desired--even so, what will you say of your torches in Westfold and the children that lie dead there? And they hewed Háma's body before the gates of the Hornburg, after he was dead. When you hang from a gibbet at your window for the sport of your own crows, I will have peace with you and Orthanic. So much for the house of Eorl. A lesser son of great sires am I, but I do not need to lick your fingers. Turn elsewhither. But I fear your voice has lost its charm.”

― J. R. R. Tolkien

Re:Thoughts about Twitter by sylens on Friday November 04, 2022 @03:30PM (#33472453)
That's an intellectually dishonest argument.

Everybody wants peace. Peace is a good thing. But what most people agree on is that you don't give an autocrat anything they want just for the promise of peace. Most people remember that lesson from 1938.

Re:Thoughts about Twitter by RobertRoberts on Friday November 04, 2022 @03:36PM (#33472558)
You are just arguing methods, I am arguing absolutes. I have no idea what the best way to achieve peace on an international scale, so my argument is pure because I don't pretend to know.
Re:Thoughts about Twitter by parrellel on Friday November 04, 2022 @04:52PM (#33473582)
You're arguing in defense of Musk's proposed peace, others are arguing that his suggestion was not peace, but rather appeasement.

We generally know how Chamberlain's whole deal turned out.

Re:Thoughts about Twitter by RobertRoberts on Friday November 04, 2022 @06:25PM (#33474782)
All conflict is resolved by appeasement, read up on history. Germany could have kept fighting to the last man, but eventually they appeased the allies in WWII.

All war ends in appeasement.

Re:Thoughts about Twitter by buildsjets on Friday November 04, 2022 @03:34PM (#33472523)
Elon did not want or advocate for peace, he wants and advocates for Russian victory.
Re:Thoughts about Twitter by forkLding on Friday November 04, 2022 @03:34PM (#33472531)
Putin won't stop though, the war with the Georgians in 2008, 2014 Ukraine invasion and now this Ukraine war. Is it really peace when one side calls for peace?

Don't forget WW2, when Nazi Germany under Hitler annexed Czechslovakia in 1938, invaded and split up Poland in 1939 and all the Great Powers did not do anything due to either appeasement or isolationism. We need to learn from history, expansionist dictators do not stop and conceding to them only leads to further war and likely world war.

Re:Thoughts about Twitter by saryant on Friday November 04, 2022 @03:29PM (#33472417)
Wanting peace is a good thing. Wanted Ukraine to capitulate to genocide is not.
Re:Thoughts about Twitter by RobertRoberts on Friday November 04, 2022 @03:34PM (#33472529)
Looking back on history should give us clarity for today. The genocides that I know of were not the same as military invasions.

And in light of past civil wars, what is the best solution for neighboring nation? I am fairly certain every country has taken land this way, so maybe we should give Texas and California back to Mexico?

Russia is NOT in the right, but Russia's actions don't change how we should be pushing for peace.

Where have all the hippies gone?

Re:Thoughts about Twitter by yonaguska on Friday November 04, 2022 @03:42PM (#33472654)
ISIS went on a genocidal rampage, and they were clear about this. Western forces supported their expansion.

The American invasion of Iraq, that was kicked off with a night of bombing destroying nearly everything, that was much more than anything Putin opened with I don't agree at all with Putin's actions, but could you please explain how they are genocidal?

The Ukrainian treatment of ethnic Russians, the incessant shelling of civilians in the separatist regions, the widespread embrace of actually Nazi ideology, and the cutting off of freshwater supply to those areas seems a bit closer to genocidal to me. Just a bit.