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Re:ZLibrary domains have been seized by the United States Po... by dragonwriter on Thursday November 03, 2022 @11:37PM (#33461829)
> It blows my mind that in a hypercapitalist society like the US, that copyrights still exist. Copyrights are a massive violation of property rights,

Ah, you’ve mistaken capitalism (which had been developing for centuries earlier) with 18th century liberal economic theory, which is not its foundation but instead a rough ex-post-facto rationalization for large parts of the way it had developed.

What capitalism is, though, is the systematic prioritization of the interests of the mercantile (which became, as legal property rights coalesced around their interest, capitalist) class as the organizing principle of society.

Re:ZLibrary domains have been seized by the United States Po... by Vt71fcAqt7 on Friday November 04, 2022 @12:06AM (#33462066)
I think GP was using this definition:

>an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market[0]

>which had been developing for centuries earlier

The use of capital has existed for thousands of years already. One could make the case that there is no such thing as capitalism but rather the desire for the realization of interests. The ruling class "before capitalism" was also capitalist: the lords' power was derived from their capital- the land. The only real difference between the mercantile class and the landed gentry was the respect they commanded when it comes down to it.

[0]https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/capitalism

Re:ZLibrary domains have been seized by the United States Po... by NoGravitas on Friday November 04, 2022 @07:03AM (#33464693)
The ruling class before capitalism was not capitalist — the nature of property rights in land was very different under feudalism than it is under capitalism.
Re:ZLibrary domains have been seized by the United States Po... by Vt71fcAqt7 on Friday November 04, 2022 @10:11AM (#33466982)
See dragonwriter's point above mine. Specific property rights are not necessary for capital to exist. Can you explain then why the nature of property rights was so different that ownership of it could not be consideres capital? Keep in mind that nobles could in fact sell their land at many points and places during medievil history.

Aditionaly, I made the case that one could say there is no capitalism. Could you explain, then, what capitalism is and why it would somehow only exist from the 18th century or later?

Re:ZLibrary domains have been seized by the United States Po... by jrm4 on Friday November 04, 2022 @10:25AM (#33467226)
Even further, all too many conflate much of the above with mere "commerce," a word I've been trying to inject into this.

LITERALLY NO ONE DOES, or SHOULD, HAVE A PROBLEM WITH COMMERCE. People are always going to buy and sell things. All the other stuff is details on exactly what the rules about doing this should be.

Re:ZLibrary domains have been seized by the United States Po... by notch656a on Friday November 04, 2022 @12:51PM (#33469845)
AFAIK copyright applies even to certain materials that have not, and never will enter commerce. Of course there are certain non-commercial exceptions to US copyright law. (Note: this is not legal advice). IMO copyright law exceeds even the bounds of commerce, and thus cannot be simply called a "rule" of commerce.